I'll keep it going at least one more post Dave :)
At CodeMash this year - developer conference in Ohio last week - 500+
attendees - there were 63 tracks. 5 of them were directly or
indirectly about Groovy or Grails, and another 2 had some Groovy in
them when discussing JVM languages. Oh, and th
Not to keep this thread going forever but... I just listened to
episode 225 and heard the guys mention something from Stephen
Colebourne at Devoxx. That reminded me of the blog post of his that
contained the vote for favorite alternative JVM language on the
whiteboards at Devoxx. The top three
In my customer base (mostly Australian Financial and Govt Java shops)
my perception of Groovy usage compared to other non-Java JVM languages
is that 12 months ago Groovy was sitting around 66% (2/3) usage
compared to 33% (1/3) for everything else. I think this has probably
increased to over 80%
( Full Disclosure: I'm a co-creator of Griffon and it is a 0.1-Beta
release. Somewhat of a shameless plug)
A lot of the Groovy news, at least in the second half of the year was
centered around Griffon which launched in early September. Griffon is
a Grails-like framework to create Swing application
goddam it Dick forgive me I am on your side, but -- you are SO
English. Why apologise? Your intent is so clear.
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The Groovy/Grails support in Netbeans is quite good, perhaps a little
rougher than the Rails/Ruby support.
Both are better than the JavaFX support, which continues to frustrate
me on a daily basis *sigh*.
On Jan 13, 2:58 am, greggobridges wrote:
> On Jan 10, 4:40 pm, Dick Wall wrote:
>
> > Big
Hi Greggor,
Sorry I just missed those ones - it's bound to happen from time to
time. I am not surprised at missing the Eclipse news, while that's
certainly nice to add refactoring, it's not super-huge. The NetBeans
one I think we just talked about NetBeans so much on the lead up to
the release (w
On Jan 10, 4:40 pm, Dick Wall wrote:
> Big stories for us are things like tooling being added
> for major IDEs (something that happened a lot in Scala this year,
> hence the excitement there)
Groovy & Grails support was added in Netbeans 6.5, yet there was no
mention of it in the podcast at the
Hi Roger
I think this is my point entirely. I am predisposed to live Groovy a
great deal, ever since I first used it I have liked it, and I
recommend it on a regular basis.
There is absolutely no embargo on Groovy stories (or spring stories
either come to that). Every time this year that a Groov
I hope that "java.next" will have a feature something like Fan where
you have a facility to add in dynamic methods. Hugely powerful
feature, seems like the best of both worlds to me.
On Jan 8, 6:30 pm, RogerV wrote:
> No one's complaining regarding the Posse's fandom for Scala.
>
> But lifting
No one's complaining regarding the Posse's fandom for Scala.
But lifting the embargo on anything Groovish or Springish would be
nice :-)
BTW, so that I'm not perceived as painting myself as an outright
Groovy fanboy, I don't believe a dynamic scripting language (even if
it does compile to byte
I genuinely don't understand putting the boot into the Posse for
talking about Scala. What's that about? If you listen consistently,
you understand that Carl is pretty sold on Scala, the others like it,
and that Dick has, for quite a while, dabbled in Groovy. So what?
They're just talking about wh
It's not FUD, exactly.
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=groovy&lang2=java
But "hideous" is a judgement call that depends on your needs. For the
kinds of problems for which dynamic scripting languages are well
suited performance is usually a secondary concern. A
I do find it interesting that groovy is never mentioned as a possible
"java.next".
I find groovy very cool, but has some drawbacks.
Because it is so tied to Java you get cool stuff on the groovy
classes, but they are often just thin wrappers around Java classes.
So for a print on a groovy array
My 2c, GroovyMag looks great, and it may actually be great, but it's
hard to tell because there's a "Cash Firewall" (TM) of $5 to read each
issue. Charging for GroovyMag may be counterproductive; for instance,
there's no way the JavaPosse would have the reach and influence it
does if it was a pay-
I keep hearing that Groovy performance is hideous. Is this just FUD?
Paul Wallace wrote:
> For me Groovy/Grails was the best discovery of 2008, and I can see a
> place for the combo in the Enterprise world - initially Groovy for
> scripting/testing.
>
> Regarding the low profile, perhaps Groovy/
For me Groovy/Grails was the best discovery of 2008, and I can see a
place for the combo in the Enterprise world - initially Groovy for
scripting/testing.
Regarding the low profile, perhaps Groovy/Grails is more of a European
thing? There certainly seems to be more of a buzz around Groovy/
Grail
There seems to be a consistency for when it comes to anything having
to do with Groovy, SpringSource, and the No Fluff Just Stuff side of
the Java community, the Java Posse members evidently live in a
cloistered walled garden. They must not get out enough. :-)
(NFJS continues to be huge on Gro
's good enough for me :P
Todd
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Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Rebuttal of groovy popularity assessment
On Jan 5, 6:56 pm, Dick Wall wrote:
> We actually had quite a few news items for Groovy in 2008 (just search
> for groovy or grails in the search box on the javaposse.com site to
> see). However, I feel that there were quite a small number of news
> items to actually report on and this is what I
I was looking at the numbers on the scala download statistics page
(http://www.scala-lang.org/node/309). I might be wrong, but it looks
like the eclipse plugin numbers are in there (52 downloads). I do not
have the netbeans numbers, though. I stand corrected on that (and on
elipse, too, if the 52
If you want more Groovy and Grails news and information, you can check
out the Grails podcast (http://grailspodcast.com) or the new GroovyMag
PDF magazine (http://groovymag.com)
On Jan 5, 5:55 pm, "Vince O'Sullivan" wrote:
> On Jan 5, 11:37 pm, greggobridges wrote:
>
> > 1)The whiteboards at De
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:37 AM, greggobridges wrote:
> I don't have scala's november numbers, but it comes to less than 3,000 for
> December 2008).
3000 downloads of what? Scala is distributed in many ways, I guess the most
popular one would be the Eclipse Plug-In, and the Netbeans plugin as th
I just finished the migration of all the bash scripts we are using for
integration tests (many laugh at me at Devoxx about my bash knowledge :),
and it was an amazing experience.For me Groovy is the choice for a dynamic
language on the JVM, and is very easy to learn for Java developers.
Looking at
Hi Folks
I wanted to assure people that I love the Groovy, I really do, and I
like Guillaume, Graeme et al tremendously.
We actually had quite a few news items for Groovy in 2008 (just search
for groovy or grails in the search box on the javaposse.com site to
see). However, I feel that there wer
On Jan 5, 11:37 pm, greggobridges wrote:
> 1)The whiteboards at Devoxx (http://www.jroller.com/scolebourne/entry/
> devoxx_2008_whiteboard_votes) declared that groovy was the most
> popular JVM language that is not Java (37%, compared to 22% for scala
> and 10% for jruby).
I was surprised when I
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