[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-05-11 Thread hxp
Noel -- Regarding our discussion of why pure-CMP provides a higher and better level of abstraction than does thinking and talking and coding in terms of tables/sql/ddl and how we can uplevel nukes to the pure-CMP level... "hxp" wrote : I'm organizing and preparing a bunch of relevant mater

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-23 Thread hxp
Noel -- The demo for my client is now over with, so I can turn my attention back to Nukes backend development... I'm organizing and preparing a bunch of relevant material, and will be posting it in the next few days --- and it will make this whole subject a lot clearer. I'll post back here whe

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-15 Thread jae77
for the record, i was thinking about using the clob/xml idea to store data in the database, not for any kind of rendering/transformations. View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3830839#3830839 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?mo

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-15 Thread hxp
Noel -- "noel.rocher" wrote : Hi Howard, | I don't know if I've really understood you. | Sorry; I'll do a more complete explanation after the big demo I'm preparing is finished :-) -- Howard View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3830836#383083

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-15 Thread noel.rocher
Hi Howard, I don't know if I've really understood you. What I think about putting XML and XSL things in tables is that this will simplify a lot the Nukes webapp administration(upgrading, backup, ...). In one project I've used some data out of the database, in files. It was not a really good i

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-14 Thread hxp
Noel -- I agree 99% with your assessment -- and it is certainly applicable to more than just the News module. IMO, the winning formula is to use XSLT templates to transform XML, with the .xsl --- and all other species of .xml --- to be derived dynamically when appropriate, but in general to b

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-14 Thread noel.rocher
Hi all, XML approach is surely the most dynamic way. Certainly an other CLOB table will be necessary for XSLT data that will describe the rendering process. Something like a "available templates for news rendering". View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewt

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-14 Thread hxp
Joachim -- OK, keep your eyes open for a thread in this forum with the phrase "Pure-CMP" in the title... I'll start it within the next week or two. Since you're short on time (know how you feel; I wear more than a dozen hats myself ;-)) ...I may have a quicky to ask from you... if I haven't go

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-14 Thread triathlon98
anonymous wrote : | would you be interested in helping out on converting some of the modules? | In priciple I would love to, but I am afraid that time is very limited for me. So limited that while I am very interested in Nukes, I have not been able to do more than just try the 1.0 release

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-14 Thread hxp
Joachim -- You've got it -- pure-CMP is definitely the answer! I've been quietly working on a pure-CMP approach for Nukes; I've already redone one of the modules so that zero DDL/SQL is required, and it works nicely... but I'm waiting to speak up about it till after 1.1 is out and the core de

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-10 Thread triathlon98
anonymous wrote : | My question is how are we going to handle upgrades to nukes and modules when the schemas change for them? I know how postnuke handled them but I don't think we could do somthing like that because we are using cmp. If every DB access uses CMP can this can very simply be do

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-09 Thread jae77
well - i'm pushing towards a release of the news module, but it is only going to be a "1.0" release, which means it won't have a lot of nifty features etc. once we it gets released w/ the 1.1 nukes release, i'm not quite sure if it's really "in development" anymore, so making schema changes wou

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-09 Thread thepriz
My feeling is that the news module has not ever been officially released yet. It has been said it is under development. I don't see any problem with changing the schema at this stage because it is a module under developement. My question is how are we going to handle upgrades to nukes and module

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-09 Thread jae77
thx! i'm definately leaning more towards the generic approach myself. i'd like to avoid migration scripts as much as possible. we're using this model w/ castor to handle a similiar issue at the day job. we sell some products that share 75% of the same info, just the product specific attributes

[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: opinion needed for news design

2004-04-09 Thread sgwood
anonymous wrote : i was thinking that i could just expose a "clob" field on a single table and addtional info for that format could be stored as xml, but this may cause performance problems b/c of the un/marshalling that needs to be done. | I strongly vote for this approach. Otherwise, as the