[jdev] Re: TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Stephen Marquard
Justin Karneges wrote: That said, on the subject of caching, XMPP servers should be a bit more strict than most of us probably are with ssh, if only to curb spam. Using dialback on the first connection might be acceptable. And now that I think about it, the whole "use dialback for the first co

[jdev] Re: TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Neil Stevens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 11 November 2004 09:44 pm, David Waite wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:54:49 -0800, Neil Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, remember that different people have different threat models to > > address. Someone in the old hypothetic

[jdev] Re: TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Stephen Marquard
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JD Conley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Allowing self signed (or otherwise untrusted) certs with STARTTLS + EXTERNAL is opening yourself up for a serious security breach. Well, that's another story. But that claim on the URL I provided

Re: [jdev] Re: TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Justin Karneges
On Thursday 11 November 2004 07:54 pm, Neil Stevens wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 11 November 2004 05:06 pm, Justin Karneges wrote: > > While JD's comments sum this up nicely, I just want to reiterate loudly > > that self-signed certificates alone truly ar

Re: [jdev] Re: TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread David Waite
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:54:49 -0800, Neil Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, remember that different people have different threat models to > address. Someone in the old hypothetical revolutionary conspiracy can't > afford to depend on large institutional corporations to sign their > certif

[jdev] Re: TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Neil Stevens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 11 November 2004 05:06 pm, Justin Karneges wrote: > While JD's comments sum this up nicely, I just want to reiterate loudly > that self-signed certificates alone truly are worthless. I'm not even > talking about man in the middle attacks e

Re: [jdev] Re: TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Justin Karneges
On Thursday 11 November 2004 04:53 pm, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > In article > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > "JD Conley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Allowing self signed (or otherwise untrusted) certs with STARTTLS + > > EXTERNAL is opening yourself up for a serious security breach. > > Well, that's

Re: [jdev] TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Justin Karneges
While JD's comments sum this up nicely, I just want to reiterate loudly that self-signed certificates alone truly are worthless. I'm not even talking about man in the middle attacks either. As a form of identity, a self-signed cert is as effective as the "From:" header in good old SMTP, and th

[jdev] Re: TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JD Conley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Allowing self signed (or otherwise untrusted) certs with STARTTLS + > EXTERNAL is opening yourself up for a serious security breach. Well, that's another story. But that claim on the URL I provided was that it is techni

RE: [jdev] TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread JD Conley
Allowing self signed (or otherwise untrusted) certs with STARTTLS + EXTERNAL is opening yourself up for a serious security breach. Using it with stream:features over dialback would give you encryption with a self signed cert and trust through the DNS system. STARTTLS + Dialback offers some level

[jdev] TLS and self-signed certs

2004-11-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
http://web.amessage.info/news/article/2981 asserts that one cannot use self-signed certs with TLS for securing XMPP streams. I don't think that's true, since we took that into account when writing RFC3920. Also, I am working with the folks from CAcert.org on building JabberIDs (for any kind of

[jdev] Re: GAIM-Integrated Filesharing

2004-11-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > GAIM-Integrated Filesharing As far as I can see, this message if off-topic for the JDEV list. If off-topic posts continue to be received from the sender, the list admin (me) will take appropriate actions, which may include holding all

Re: [jdev] GAIM-Integrated Filesharing

2004-11-11 Thread aliban
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[jdev] GAIM-Integrated Filesharing

2004-11-11 Thread Euseval
GAIM-Integrated Filesharing Jail for filesharers is ridiculous. We need to stop it. The lawsuits aren't enough. The major record labels are literally trying to send people to prison for sharing music, and a new bill in Congress right now would let them. We can't let that happen-- it is a complet

[jdev] Re: developing chat client /server with jabber api

2004-11-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alexey Nezhdanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ÷ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ ÏÔ þÅÔ×ÅÒÇ 11 îÏÑÂÒØ 2004 07:56 Mallepally Harinath ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ(a): > > Yah, Thanks a lot for the reply. > > Seems that website is down for maintaince when it comes up I ll check it > > up. Btw can I use this s

[jdev] looking for help

2004-11-11 Thread aliban
hi anyone of you is able to port/compile XMPP Client Daemon on a unix or MacOSX platform? Me is not an experienced linux user thus i don't know much about these platforms... project infos are on http://xcd.jabberstudio.org/ cvs is on sourceforge. regards, Edrin JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___