Re: [Jmol-users] Java

2013-01-13 Thread Robert Hanson
http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jsmol/test2.htm?USE=HTML5 On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM, pino.stricc...@libero.it pino.stricc...@libero.it wrote: A not so nice discover. While opening the page http://chemapps.stolaf. edu/jmol/jsmol/test2.htm, my browser tells me that the java applet was

Re: [Jmol-users] image fallback alternative in Jmol-JSO

2013-01-13 Thread Robert Hanson
I think we are settling in on HTML5 as the fallback plan. The image idea is an interesting option, but that does take considerable server-side support (Jmol running on the server with whatever script is being given it) that has its own issues. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Angel Herráez

Re: [Jmol-users] Apple Blocks Java 7 Plug-in on OS X to Address Widespread Security Threat - Mac Rumors

2013-01-13 Thread Robert Hanson
It will probably take some time to sort out what is really the issue here; apparently it is browser-specific, meaning the Jmol application itself is not a risk, and I would guess nothing having to do with Jmol is a risk -- other than it could be modified and used as a facade for something else.

Re: [Jmol-users] image fallback alternative in Jmol-JSO

2013-01-13 Thread Angel Herráez
OK. I was trying to cover all known variations. Interestingly, I found that by loading a PNG+Jmol file (saved from the app) instead of the PDB file, when I specify image as the only option in Info, the png image is indeed displayed. Nice!

[Jmol-users] Future of the Jmol applet == JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Robert Hanson
Web page developers using the Jmol applet: Well, I'm sitting here wondering if the future of the Jmol applet is written on the wall, and it will soon become a historical artifact. As platforms shut out the Java plug-in, that certainly seems to be the case. If nothing else, we are instantly back

Re: [Jmol-users] image fallback alternative in Jmol-JSO

2013-01-13 Thread Robert Hanson
yes, that's right. That's definitely a way to go, and what we will probably be shooting for with sites such as Proteopedia and RCSB. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es wrote: OK. I was trying to cover all known variations. Interestingly, I found that by

Re: [Jmol-users] Future of the Jmol applet == JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Angel Herráez
Dear Bob, Thanks for the comprehensive summary on the state of Jmol applet and JSmol. First of all, a huge thanks for the tremendous effort you have put in such a short time and the extraordinary product you have achieved to make. We all owe you much. A few notes of my own to share with

[Jmol-users] JSmol-compatible new version to export an image from either Jmol applet, Jmo-JSO, JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Angel Herráez
OK, so I have an update of my former Exporting from Jmol applet an image of the current view method, http://biomodel.uah.es/Jmol/export-image/ that is now compatible with Jmol-JSO-HTML5 (JSmol), Jmol-JSO-Java and Jmol-JSO-WebGL it is temporarily located at

[Jmol-users] R: JSmol-compatible new version to export an image from either Jmol applet, Jmo-JSO, JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread pino.stricc...@libero.it
Angel i am trying your new pages with Jsmol http://biomodel.uah. es/en/noJava/model3/ All is ok with sugars, but when it comes to proteins windows start appearing with different messages. Something is not really right there Pino

Re: [Jmol-users] Future of the Jmol applet == JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Robert Hanson
Ah -- that reminds me. The one part of Jmol that has not been implemented in JSmol is language translation. I'm pretty sure that is going to be impossible without some serious thought. That system creates specialized Java class files, bypassing the usual Java code stage. We might be able to do it,

Re: [Jmol-users] Future of the Jmol applet == JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Robert Hanson
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es wrote: Dear Bob, * JSmol has problems to run from local disk --in contrast to Jmol applet. You can find trouble during initialization if you are not using it from a web server. A local web server is fine. Users must be

Re: [Jmol-users] Future of the Jmol applet == JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Angel Herráez
I have not had any problems with this, at least with Firefox. I think what you say is true for MSIE. It's also possible that I set some sort of flag to allow that. No, seriously. I'm using Firefox and the JS libraries do not finish loading from local files. I gave up trying to understand

Re: [Jmol-users] R: JSmol-compatible new version to export an image from either Jmol applet, Jmo-JSO, JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Angel Herráez
Thank you, Pino I thought that was updated to the last version, but maybe not. I will check the files again. I did have some problems loading some pdb files that gave format-not-recognised errors. I played a bit with file extensions and gzipped or not, so I may have it broken. Right now, both

Re: [Jmol-users] Future of the Jmol applet == JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Kevin Theisen
Thanks for the analysis Bob, I need to add in my thoughts. First, as far as open source goes, I don't really believe there is any sense of some competition. Open source provides tools to the community, each is unique and will be used in unique ways by the community. Some will even use multiple

Re: [Jmol-users] Future of the Jmol applet == JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Otis Rothenberger
Bob, Thanks for all of your hard work on JSmol. What's happened in just a few months is nothing less than amazing. I've had the model kit bug ever since I found that I could make atoms in Chime change color. Your Jmol efforts provided an opportunity to create a real virtual model kit, and I'm

Re: [Jmol-users] Future of the Jmol applet == JSmol

2013-01-13 Thread Robert Hanson
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Kevin Theisen ke...@ichemlabs.com wrote: Thanks for the analysis Bob, I need to add in my thoughts. First, as far as open source goes, I don't really believe there is any sense of some competition. Open source provides tools to the community, each is unique