[jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...)

2008-10-21 Thread Jay Zimmerman
Join us in beautiful Hollywood, Florida for SpringAmericas 2008 coming December 1-4th. SpringAmericas 2008 is the conference for the global Spring community. This one-of-a-kind event is for application developers, solution architects, and project managers who develop business applications

Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...)

2008-10-21 Thread TR
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Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...)

2008-10-21 Thread Kit Plummer
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Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...)

2008-10-21 Thread Thomas Hicks
OoohKit puts on his flame-suite and throws a hand grenade into the room Don't listen to that Luddite, Liz. Personally, I think Spring is terrific and there are very few types of web applications I would build without it. As for unnecessarysure, most tools are unnecessary but I bet

Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...)

2008-10-21 Thread Kit Plummer
Yeh, that was definitely chum for chums. Seriously though, my issues with Spring are more political/business than technical. Spring can do a lot for you - from a web-app or enterprisey-app angle. But, it comes with a lot of fluff too, which raises the learning curve - fair warning. I'm

Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...)

2008-10-21 Thread Liz_Ravenwood
cc Subject Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...) Yeh, that was definitely chum for chums. Seriously though, my issues with Spring are more political/business than technical

Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...)

2008-10-21 Thread Thomas Hicks
At 04:08 PM 10/21/2008, you wrote: Yeh, that was definitely chum for chums. :) Seriously though, my issues with Spring are more political/business than technical. Spring can do a lot for you - from a web-app or enterprisey-app angle. But, it comes with a lot of fluff too, which raises the

Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...)

2008-10-21 Thread Kit Plummer
Going along with what Chad said (and sorry for top posting, but I don't really understand that argument either) I'll take simple any day. Though I've seen the value of Spring in stuff like ServiceMix, I think Spring really shines in things like Grails. So, if I were going to build a