Re: Triggering Server Restarts

2014-08-26 Thread William Reade
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Andrew Wilkins andrew.wilk...@canonical.com wrote: It doesn't have to be the tomb itself; it can be an interface which is implemented by a type wrapping a tomb. My point was that it seems unnecessary to add channels and signalling when we already have that with

Re: getting rid of all-machines.log

2014-08-26 Thread Horacio Duran
Hey, In an effort to move forward with juju's windows integration I have summarized what seems to be the core points of this discussion to the best of my ability (please excuse me if I missed or misunderstood something). The two core points of discussion on this thread are: * should we remove

Re: getting rid of all-machines.log

2014-08-26 Thread David Cheney
Hi Horatio, I don't see a way to resolve the very disparate set of opinions you've highlighted below. It's also not clear from your email who is responsible for making a decision. I suggest reframing the discussion as user stories. ie * As a Juju user with a Windows workstation I want to use

Re: getting rid of all-machines.log

2014-08-26 Thread Mark Ramm-Christensen (Canonical.com)
you'll have to be more specific, there's been a shotgun of statements in this thread, touching on logstash, aggregation removal, rsyslog removal, log rotation, deferring to stderr/stdout, 12factor apps, working with ha state servers, etc. I was referring to Nate's lumberjack package (PR

Re: getting rid of all-machines.log

2014-08-26 Thread John Meinel
My personal vote would be: a) Use something that can write directly to multiple syslog receivers over a TLS encrypted connection from inside the jujud binary (e.g. don't use rsyslog to read the log files and forward them on to the state servers, but just write directly) I'd actually like to

Re: getting rid of all-machines.log

2014-08-26 Thread Ian Booth
On 27/08/14 14:56, John Meinel wrote: My personal vote would be: a) Use something that can write directly to multiple syslog receivers over a TLS encrypted connection from inside the jujud binary (e.g. don't use rsyslog to read the log files and forward them on to the state servers, but

Re: getting rid of all-machines.log

2014-08-26 Thread David Cheney
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Ian Booth ian.bo...@canonical.com wrote: On 27/08/14 14:56, John Meinel wrote: My personal vote would be: a) Use something that can write directly to multiple syslog receivers over a TLS encrypted connection from inside the jujud binary (e.g. don't use