Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Ivar Nesje
I think this is a too strong statement. There are definitely happening a lot on the master (0.4-dev) branch, but it should be quite usable even without reading the majority of Github issues. The more users we have, the earlier concerns is raised, and the earlier we can fix them and prepare for

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Ivar Nesje
Sorry (somehow I sendt the previous mail by accident while writing it) My point was that `release-0.3` does not (intentionally) break backwards compatibility, and if it breaks anything it would be really great to get a bug report before we tag a new 0.3.X release. The more testers/users we

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Hans W Borchers
Ivar, thanks for this clarification; I was really under the impression that -- like for Perl and other projects -- I might never ever again hear from a Julia 0.4 version. A question I asked got buried in another thread and never answered, so I'd like to repeat it here: Will the NEWS.md

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Isaiah Norton
Master should be usable, but many packages won't be. Given the limited bandwidth of package maintainers, and the scope of pending changes, supporting both 0.3 and 0.4-dev is probably not realistic for many packages. On Sep 26, 2014 3:19 AM, Ivar Nesje iva...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Ivar Nesje
Hans: I think the reason you did not get an answer is that your question is more a request than a question. NEWS.md is a great resource we try to keep updated when we make significant changes to Julia. Unfortunately it's easy to forget to update it, so it is often forgotten. I'm not sure we

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Tim Holy
Hans, a great way to keep up with what's going on with the development of 0.4 is to visit the GitHub page https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia and click the Watch button. But be prepared for a lot of emails. --Tim On Friday, September 26, 2014 06:26:36 AM Ivar Nesje wrote: Hans: I think the

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread John Myles White
Hans, The tone of your e-mail is a little odd in my opinion. It seems to imply distrust and even possibly anger for a project that would be substantially better served by participating actively in the issue discussions that Tim Holy discussed. I don't think anyone who's following 0.4's

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Adam Smith
Hans, like John said in the OP, v0.4 is really unstable right now. I would not expect them to publish updates to NEWS.md for new things that could get reverted a few days later. If you want to monitor updates, Github provides some really nice tools, like the Pulse page:

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Tim Holy
Although I believe Jiahao is looking for someone to step up and take charge of a this week in Julia publication. Hans, since you want this information yourself, you've just made yourself the perfect candidate. As that pulse link that Adam forwarded shows, there is a _lot_ of material to cover

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Stefan Karpinski
It's a bit odd for there to be simultaneous complaints about 0.4 being unstable (ie under rapid development) and not going anywhere. It's been, what, 13 years since the plans to release Perl 6 were announced? Seems a bit early to worry about that kind of problem a couple of months after the

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Steve Kelly
This is how I set up my environment to stay involved: julia - master julia3 - release-0.3 julia4on3- use 0.4 packages on julia3 (this is helpful since I like to develop in the v0.4 directory) julia-multi - run something with 0.4 packages on julia and julia3 (I normally only use this with

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread John Myles White
I also keep separate installations of julia: I have both julia-0.3 and julia-0.4 installations in separate directories, with the julia symlink only referring to julia-0.3 -- John On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Steve Kelly kd2...@gmail.com wrote: This is how I set up my environment to stay

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Adam R. Smith
Steve: that’s a useful setup! Somebody was also making a Julia equivalent for python’s virtualenv, but I can’t remember the name so I can’t find it now. Using aliases like yours, you could associate a particular project with a particular julia version with a virtualenv. I wish I could remember

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Jameson Nash
https://github.com/Rory-Finnegan/Playground.jl ? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Adam R. Smith a...@adamia.com wrote: Steve: that’s a useful setup! Somebody was also making a Julia equivalent for python’s virtualenv, but I can’t remember the name so I can’t find it now. Using aliases like

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Adam R. Smith
Yep that was it, thanks! Sorry to sidetrack the conversation.  a d a m On September 26, 2014 at 11:23:21 AM, Jameson Nash (vtjn...@gmail.com) wrote: https://github.com/Rory-Finnegan/Playground.jl ? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Adam R. Smith a...@adamia.com wrote: Steve: that’s a useful

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Jiahao Chen
I am sorry you felt uneasy when reading my post. I am sometimes a bit ironic, but please consider that irony is a friendly and sympathetic way to look at things. A pity you couldn't laugh about the comparison with Perl. (I never use smileys.) It is very hard to infer tone from writing, and

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Joey Huchette
I followed your advice and, unintendedly being transferred to 0.4, managed to move back to 0.3.1 -- at the price that some packages (like Cbc) don't build anymore at the moment. Still I think it is unfortunate to keep interested and adventurous users away from a development

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-26 Thread Hans W Borchers
Thanks. I decided to delete all of the .julia directory. Looks like I can successfully install and build the optimization packages. On Friday, September 26, 2014 7:49:24 PM UTC+2, Joey Huchette wrote: I followed your advice and, unintendedly being transferred to 0.4, managed to move back to

[julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-25 Thread David P. Sanders
El jueves, 25 de septiembre de 2014 19:59:41 UTC-5, John Myles White escribió: I just wanted to suggest that almost everyone on this mailing list should be using Julia 0.3, not Julia 0.4. Julia 0.4 changes dramatically from day to day and is probably not safe for most use cases. I'd

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-25 Thread John Myles White
I think it's more correct to check out tags since there seems to be work being done progressively on that branch to keep up with backports. Not totally sure, though. -- John On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:58 PM, David P. Sanders dpsand...@gmail.com wrote: El jueves, 25 de septiembre de 2014

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-25 Thread Isaiah Norton
Checking out the release branch is fine; the 0.3.1 tag is on that branch. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM, John Myles White johnmyleswh...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's more correct to check out tags since there seems to be work being done progressively on that branch to keep up with

Re: [julia-users] Re: PSA: Choosing between Julia 0.3 vs Julia 0.4

2014-09-25 Thread Steve Kelly
Case and point: https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/commit/2ef8d31b6b05ed0a8934c7a13f6490939a30b24b :) On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Isaiah Norton isaiah.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Checking out the release branch is fine; the 0.3.1 tag is on that branch. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM,