Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-04-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday, April 01, 2013 05:44:59 PM Pavel Lunin wrote: Well, I'd also really like to have a Juniper box competing against Catalyst ME, but, again, I believe there might be (I don't say there is) some common sense in not even trying to play this game. I can easily imagine sane reasons for

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-04-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, April 02, 2013 04:34:18 PM Pavel Lunin wrote: I just wanted to note, that from the money point of view at the time when MX80 was under construction, it /could/ be a wise decision to not compete against products like CES/CER and make it more router-alike than a MetroE optimized

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-04-02 Thread Pavel Lunin
I couldn't agree more. Funnily enough when I saw the EX2200C-12 get released being both fanless and shallow depth the first use case I thought was ME NTU/Small PoP. Front-mounted power would have been nice, but hey, I'll deal. There are enough dot1q-tunnelling knobs built-in* for most

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-04-01 Thread Pavel Lunin
31.03.2013 18:18, Mark Tinka wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2013 01:41:47 PM Pavel Lunin wrote: Looks like Juniper just did not much care metro ethernet. BTW, it's sometimes said, that the reason is a lack of such a market in North America (where I've even never been to, thus can't judge

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-04-01 Thread Ben Dale
Epic fail on Juniper's part to think that networks will still go for too big boxes for small box deployments. The ERBU head promised that they were looking at a 1U MX80 box that would rival the Cisco and Brocade options in the access, but I think they thought coming up with the MX5,

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-04-01 Thread Craig Askings
On 2 April 2013 09:06, Ben Dale bd...@comlinx.com.au wrote: I couldn't agree more. Funnily enough when I saw the EX2200C-12 get released being both fanless and shallow depth the first use case I thought was ME NTU/Small PoP. Front-mounted power would have been nice, but hey, I'll deal.

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-03-31 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, January 11, 2013 01:41:47 PM Pavel Lunin wrote: Looks like Juniper just did not much care metro ethernet. BTW, it's sometimes said, that the reason is a lack of such a market in North America (where I've even never been to, thus can't judge whether this sentence is correct :).

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-03-31 Thread Mark Tinka
On Sunday, March 31, 2013 05:28:02 PM Jeff Wheeler wrote: Just problem #1 clearly demonstrates that upper-management has no idea what they are doing. They are managing their inventory like they're making automobiles with razor-thin margins, not I.T. products which sell for many multiples of

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-03-31 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: no answer to Cisco's ASR1000. Even just for route reflection, I'd be very hard-pressed to choose a US$1 MX480 with a 16GB RE over a Cisco ASR1001 costing ten thousand times the price. These are all symptoms of Juniper's

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-11 Thread Pavel Lunin
So is there anything reasonably priced in the Juniper lineup for this kind of situation or do we look at Cisco/other? If a bunch of MX5's doesn't fit the price expectation, than, I would say, Cisco/other. Looks like Juniper just did not much care metro ethernet. BTW, it's sometimes said, that

[j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Paul Stewart
Hi folks.. We have a customer that has a Cisco 6500 - very old and they want to retire it out of service (12+ years old). The customer is a municipal fiber provider and their main business is providing connectivity (vs providing Internet). They have approached us about a Juniper

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Tobias Heister
Hi, Am 10.01.2013 14:03, schrieb Paul Stewart: Per port ingress and egress bandwidth control (rate limiting with burst) Per VLAN ingress and egress bandwidth control (rate limiting on a per VLAN basis with burst) As you mentioned this could be the problem or showstopper. We have not yet

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread James S. Smith
-nsp] EX Switch Question Hi, Am 10.01.2013 14:03, schrieb Paul Stewart: Per port ingress and egress bandwidth control (rate limiting with burst) Per VLAN ingress and egress bandwidth control (rate limiting on a per VLAN basis with burst) As you mentioned this could be the problem

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Paul Stewart
Granath [mailto:per.gran...@gcc.com.cy] Sent: January-10-13 9:18 AM To: Paul Stewart; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: RE: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question The general idea is to do: Policing (firewall filter) on ingress Shaping (CoS) on egress http://www.juniper.net/us/en/local/pdf

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Paul Stewart
: 'juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net' Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question Just avoid the 4500 if you need anything less than 1G copper. The ports on the 4500 won't negotiate to 10 or 100. I was told by the sales engineer that this switch is a top of rack switch so it doesn't support anything less than

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Eric Van Tol
-Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp- boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:23 AM To: 'Per Granath'; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question Thanks

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Benny Amorsen
Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org writes: Per VLAN ingress and egress bandwidth control (rate limiting on a per VLAN basis with burst) That sounds like hierarchial shaping. You need MX for that, and even then you may meet challenges doing it on ingress. I would have thought that the 6500

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Emmanuel Halbwachs
Hello, Tobias Heister (Thu 2013-01-10 14:31:40 +0100) : We have not yet found an EX platform (tried 2200/3200/4200/4500/8200) which supported policing on egress (using Firewall filters and policing, never tried using QoS) I don't know for the OP needs but for shure EX4200 does not have: -

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Paul Stewart
:59 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question Hello, Tobias Heister (Thu 2013-01-10 14:31:40 +0100) : We have not yet found an EX platform (tried 2200/3200/4200/4500/8200) which supported policing on egress (using Firewall filters and policing, never tried

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Paul Stewart
Amorsen [mailto:benny+use...@amorsen.dk] Sent: January-10-13 9:41 AM To: Paul Stewart Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org writes: Per VLAN ingress and egress bandwidth control (rate limiting on a per VLAN basis with burst

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Chris Morrow
On 01/10/2013 10:21 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: Thank you - yes, both of those issues you highlighted have created problems for us especially lack of tcp established note also that (i believe still) packets which would pass through the box (when it's doing L3 things) but expire on the box...

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Pavel Lunin
Just don't go there. EX is in no way a metro SP switch. Very common case, we've been discussing it with many customers, who their-selves want a Juniper metro SP solution, maybe once a week since the EX series was launched. After all that I am 100% sure this is not what EX is all about.

Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question

2013-01-10 Thread Paul Stewart
@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX Switch Question Just don't go there. EX is in no way a metro SP switch. Very common case, we've been discussing it with many customers, who their-selves want a Juniper metro SP solution, maybe once a week since the EX series was launched. After all that I am 100% sure