Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-23 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, July 22, 2010 07:00:45 pm Pavel Lunin wrote: The problem with EX in ISP applications is very limited MPLS capabilities. So if you want VPLS or L3VPN in some remote location, EX will not save you although it has way higher forwarding performance. Yes, this, indeed, was a problem.

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-23 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:48:20 pm Pavel Lunin wrote: Ok. But let's be honest, it's tricky. Specially in L3 metro access where it is easy to get a loop if you don't rely on what customers announce to you (I had experience of spending weeks on phone with major Russian ISP on behalf of the

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-22 Thread Andy Davidson
On 20 Jul 2010, at 23:14, Christopher E. Brown wrote: I know alot of us here have been bitten by this, and the fact that disabling flow mode and reverting to packet does not free up any of the ~ 460MB or so being eaten by fwdd/flowd is insane. I am currently having the This is a design

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-22 Thread Pavel Lunin
On 21.07.2010 22:34, Christopher E. Brown wrote: That is exactly our use, up to a couple hundred megs of IP services on one, a couple hundred of L3 MPLS on another, and L2-circuit/vpls on a third. Alaska has many small remote locations. For larger areas, M and MX platforms are better, and

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-22 Thread Pavel Lunin
On 22.07.2010 14:33, Alexandre Snarskii wrote: we also bump into the requirements of cheap devices running everything including L3VPN/VPLS for a few hundred megs. I would suggest to use SRX240H in packet mode and don't even think about full BGP (they can't) You can try the same trick as

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-22 Thread Pavel Lunin
Example: you run routed metro (or datacenter) ethernet ring, with less than 12k entries in FIB. One of your customers wants to turn BGP on his link. There are lots of choices on how to do that: [...] But that is one of cases when having full-view in your edge switch RIB and redistributed to

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-22 Thread Pavel Lunin
IIRC, it's quite possible to use closest MX-series router to mix draft-kompella pseudowire from EX-series into VPLS domain (it was discussed in this list not so long time ago). Not sure about L3VPN though. BTW. Kompella? Didn't you mean CCC? EX only support single label MPLS.

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-21 Thread Leigh Porter
/20/2010 11:14 PM To: juniper-...@punk.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases. I know alot of us here have been bitten by this, and the fact that disabling flow mode and reverting to packet does not free up

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-21 Thread Heath Jones
Just a quick thought... what about renaming the flowd binary..? No I haven't tested it :) On 20 July 2010 23:14, Christopher E. Brown chris.br...@acsalaska.netwrote: I know alot of us here have been bitten by this, and the fact that disabling flow mode and reverting to packet does not

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-21 Thread Heath Jones
Chris - Is the current situation: that Juniper have said there is no workaround / configuration change that can be made to stop the allocation of memory for the flow forwarding information? On 20 July 2010 23:14, Christopher E. Brown chris.br...@acsalaska.netwrote: I know alot of us here

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-21 Thread Christopher E. Brown
On 7/21/2010 3:47 PM, Heath Jones wrote: Chris - Is the current situation: that Juniper have said there is no workaround / configuration change that can be made to stop the allocation of memory for the flow forwarding information? The current response is that this memory consumption is by

[j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-20 Thread Christopher E. Brown
I know alot of us here have been bitten by this, and the fact that disabling flow mode and reverting to packet does not free up any of the ~ 460MB or so being eaten by fwdd/flowd is insane. I am currently having the This is a design feature, the pre-alloc is planned argument with a SE. I

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-20 Thread Jay Hanke
: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Christopher E. Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:15 PM To: juniper-...@punk.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases

Re: [j-nsp] J series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases.

2010-07-20 Thread Sipes, Nathan
series users bitten by the massive memory use increase with flow mode add, please file jtac cases. Ditto, I was writing basically the same email when I saw your post come through. I got a set of 2350's out of the box running 60% memory utilization, I added a l3 vpn (with 3 routes) and the nice