[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 Vladimir Yerilov changed: What|Removed |Added CC||openmind...@gmail.com --- Comment #70 from

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #69 from Michael D --- Actually what I just wrote isn't true--I didn't hit the darkest part of the text. Sorry: it's more like 3.34:1 which is still bad. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #68 from Michael D --- Out of curiosity, I just ran a contrast check on the darkening effect. For black text on an almost white background, the darkening effect yields a 1.9:1 contrast ratio which is awful:

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #67 from Szczepan Hołyszewski --- > 1) When this issue will be adressed? Discussions are going on from 2017! Actually it dates back to KDE4 and the ancient times when the frame rates were so low that visible "pulsing" increments/decrements

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #66 from Postix --- (In reply to Szczepan Hołyszewski from comment #65) > > *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 303438 *** Please let's keep this one the main bug as here already 23 people subscribed (vs 3 in the other) and

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #64 from antonio.guadag...@gmail.com --- Time passes but nothing changes. This problem has been reported since 2013, perhaps someone has decided that it should not be solved. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #63 from Postix --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #61) > No, Desktop Grid doesn't darken windows. (In reply to David Edmundson from comment #62) > It does darken the entire desktop So strictly speaking, it does darken windows as

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #62 from David Edmundson --- It does darken the entire desktop -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #61 from Nate Graham --- No, Desktop Grid doesn't darken windows. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #60 from Postix --- Is this bug report also about the "Desktop Grid"? If so, shouldn't its title be adjusted? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #59 from Murat Çileli --- This is a proof that UX have to be implemented by users and designers, not programmers. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #58 from hvm --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #56) > In fact we have a patch (mentioned earlier: > https://phabricator.kde.org/D23480) that does just that. It caused visual > artifacts that we haven't figured out how to fix yet. So

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 David Edmundson changed: What|Removed |Added CC||k...@davidedmundson.co.uk --- Comment #57

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #56 from Nate Graham --- In fact we have a patch (mentioned earlier: https://phabricator.kde.org/D23480) that does just that. It caused visual artifacts that we haven't figured out how to fix yet. So in fact it turned out not to be so

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #55 from hvm --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #54) > There's no conspiracy to hide a bug's severity. We're well aware that this > is a pain point for users and are working on the political angle to get it > done (the former

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #54 from Nate Graham --- There's no conspiracy to hide a bug's severity. We're well aware that this is a pain point for users and are working on the political angle to get it done (the former maintainer declared this code off-limits pending

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #53 from Szczepan Hołyszewski --- Also there's this shady practice of marking older bugs as duplicates of newer ones in order to deliberately spread votes. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #52 from Szczepan Hołyszewski --- (In reply to Saverio Brancaccio from comment #35) > Considering the number of votes (only 2 since 2017) on this issue, I suppose > it's not an interesting feature to fix. The apparent lack of voters'

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 Christoph Feck changed: What|Removed |Added CC||rula...@wp.pl --- Comment #51 from Christoph

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #50 from Postix --- (In reply to Vlad Zahorodnii from comment #49) > > the bug is still here. > We have more important issues to fix than this one. Not entirely true, there's a fix in the pipeline, but it still needs some time until it

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #49 from Vlad Zahorodnii --- > the bug is still here. We have more important issues to fix than this one. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #48 from Saverio Brancaccio --- >From our last discussion and agreements on the motivations that confirmed our common vision to see this bug fixed, three further months have passed... the bug is still here. -- You are receiving this mail

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added CC||cameron.g.rodg...@gmail.com --- Comment #47 from

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #46 from Michael D --- Grid effect does dim non-hovered desktops and their windows. But the description isn't very clear and does sound like the reporter is referring to the present windows effect. -- You are receiving this mail because:

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #44 from Nate Graham --- (In reply to Michael D from comment #43) > Bug 409295 is about the grid effect, not the present windows effect. Yes, but the Desktop Grid effect doesn't darken the windows the way the Present Windows effect does, so

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #45 from Nate Graham --- ...r meant the Present Windows effect instead. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #43 from Michael D --- Bug 409295 is about the grid effect, not the present windows effect. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mug...@naver.com --- Comment #42 from Nate

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 Brian changed: What|Removed |Added CC||brianabe...@gmail.com --- Comment #41 from Brian ---

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #40 from pemartins --- Can we please just change the default dimness value for now, so that Present Windows can be usable? Set it to 90%, because I believe even 80% is too dark. And then we can go on brainstorming on how to improve it, but

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #39 from Saverio Brancaccio --- (In reply to pemartins from comment #37) > Some points for consideration: > 1. This issue exists since it was implemented, 6 years ago or whatever. I > have no idea how the dimness was implemented in the

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #38 from hvm --- (In reply to pemartins from comment #37) > Some points for consideration: > 1. This issue exists since it was implemented, 6 years ago or whatever. I > have no idea how the dimness was implemented in the first place because

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #37 from pemartins --- Some points for consideration: 1. This issue exists since it was implemented, 6 years ago or whatever. I have no idea how the dimness was implemented in the first place because it's obviously a bad job, it's worst

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #36 from Kishore Gopalakrishnan --- (In reply to Saverio Brancaccio from comment #35) > Considering the number of votes (only 2 since 2017) on this issue, I suppose > it's not an interesting feature to fix. > Therefore, I reported a

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #35 from Saverio Brancaccio --- Considering the number of votes (only 2 since 2017) on this issue, I suppose it's not an interesting feature to fix. Therefore, I reported a suggestion on a 3rd party site to have at least an extension that

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #34 from antonio.guadag...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Saverio Brancaccio from comment #33) > Sirs, considering all the comments here, it is clear this windows dimming is > wrong. For sure it's clear that it must be removed or at least

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #33 from Saverio Brancaccio --- Sirs, considering all the comments here, it is clear this windows dimming is wrong. For sure it's clear that it must be removed or at least regulated through a simple setting... Now my questions are: 1) When

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #32 from Michael D --- Sure, but it's very easy to remove dimming and requires more work to add another hover effect, so if just removing dimming is the fastest possible fix until someone is found to implement another hover effect, I would

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #31 from leftcrane --- I think it makes sense to treat them in tandem. Remove dimming AND replace with other effect, as the bug says. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #30 from Michael D --- I agree to just remove dimming, and I would even be happy if nothing else about the effect were changed. A separate wish could be filed requesting to add a further hover animation like a border around the hovered

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #29 from leftcrane --- If someone can present a use case for dimming, then it could be kept as an option. But don't think a use case exists. There are only arguments AGAINST it, i.e. only downsides with no conceivable upside. There is no

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #28 from leftcrane --- Saverio Brancaccio, You have only presented arguments AGAINST dimming. That's what I am saying nobody needs dimming - it's just bad. No other system does this. The correct solution imo, is to draw a box around the

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #27 from Saverio Brancaccio --- This is a good fix, it should be adopded by kwiw developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEHC43zMIMc -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #26 from hvm --- I agree, this is why I like KDE and why I always choose it over any other desktop/window manager - because it's so configurable and I can tailor it to suit me. So even though I don't like the dimming feature, I don't want

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #25 from Saverio Brancaccio --- As already said, the advantages to have a configurable dimming are many from a genaral UI point of view. Some of them: - Dimmed windows that illuminates on mouse hovering is eye popping on the long run and

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #24 from leftcrane --- Why even have an option for dimming? All it does is make it harder to identify windows (virtually impossible in desktop grid) - why would anyone ever want this? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 Saverio Brancaccio changed: What|Removed |Added CC||saverio.brancac...@gmail.co

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #22 from hvm --- So is there a decision on what will happen with this feature? Is there some way in which I could help? I could help writing the code but building and testing kwin is a daunting task for me. -- You are receiving this

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #21 from leftcrane --- re HVM, you can make a big translucent icon overlay right on top of the windows. It won't actually obscure the content at all. When I was on gnome, I relied on this extension to make the overview usable for more than

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #20 from hvm --- Sorry for the double comment but I thought of another idea. The windows' titles would be better put below or above the windows. Writing on top of the window obstructs the window and again makes it more difficult to find.

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 hvm changed: What|Removed |Added CC||hvm2...@gmail.com --- Comment #19 from hvm --- If it

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #18 from leftcrane --- Yes, Gnome is the same. I'd add that identifying windows is hard enough even at full brightness. The best solution I've found is to use big, centered icon overlays, like here:

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #17 from Michael Reiher --- Fully agree! It's already hard enough to spot the desired window if you have a certain amount of them. And ideally you want to spot it before hovering every window. Any kind of information reduction is counter

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #16 from leftcrane --- Option 2, no question. Any amount of dimming is going to negatively impact the visual perception, which is vital when you're looking at small thumbnails. Not only that, but dimming provides vastly inferior feedback to

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 Michael D changed: What|Removed |Added CC||nortex...@gmail.com --- Comment #15 from Michael D

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 pemartins changed: What|Removed |Added CC||paulo76.alga...@hotmail.com --- Comment #14 from

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 Vlad Zagorodniy changed: What|Removed |Added CC||leftcr...@tutanota.com --- Comment #13 from

[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 --- Comment #8 from Salva Corts --- Hi there again, I would like you to know I have made a diff request on KDE phabricator. https://phabricator.kde.org/D8388 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug

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[kwin] [Bug 385522] Present Windows: Don't darken all windows and denote selection some other way than restoring original lightness

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