Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Teemu Rytilahti
Niko Sams wrote: Interesting. But no system provides a solution I think. Socorro looks very powerful - but they need to process much more crashes. Actually at least Microsoft does, not sure about the others. Not sure how much is it used though, but the system has a capability to give an url

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Niko Sams
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 22:20, Teemu Rytilahti t...@iki.fi wrote: Niko Sams wrote: Personally I'd go for a solution that also tries to register the last 20 keystrokes and 20 mouse clicks (qt global event listener) and if and when a crash occurs that info can be send with the backtrace.  So

Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Myriam Schweingruber
Hi all, On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 19:34, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Monday 12 March 2012 19:26:27 Niko Sams wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 13:57, henry miller h...@millerfarm.com wrote: ... *cough*

Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Ben Cooksley
Hi all, Whilst I have not evaluated it's compatibility with Bugzilla 4.2, I do not suppose anyone has looked at https://launchpad.net/bugzilla-traceparser ? Regards, Ben

Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Ben Cooksley wrote: Hi all, Whilst I have not evaluated it's compatibility with Bugzilla 4.2, I do not suppose anyone has looked at https://launchpad.net/bugzilla-traceparser ? That looks very interesting and user-friendly to me. Boudewijn (who still has nightmares

Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Niko Sams
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:47, Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org wrote: Hi all, Whilst I have not evaluated it's compatibility with Bugzilla 4.2, I do not suppose anyone has looked at https://launchpad.net/bugzilla-traceparser ? well, that's off topic for this thread. But still would probably

Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Thomas Zander
Quoting Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org: Whilst I have not evaluated it's compatibility with Bugzilla 4.2, I do not suppose anyone has looked at https://launchpad.net/bugzilla-traceparser ? The traceparser might be a good-enough solution for finding duplicates and helping the reading of

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Thomas Zander
Quoting Niko Sams niko.s...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 17:32, Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote: On Monday 12 March 2012 16.20.00 David Jarvie wrote: There would be an advantage in giving instant feedback to the user if possible, but if that turns out to be impractical, Thomas's

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Christoph Feck
On Tuesday 13 March 2012 10:30:59 Thomas Zander wrote: Quoting Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org: Whilst I have not evaluated it's compatibility with Bugzilla 4.2, I do not suppose anyone has looked at https://launchpad.net/bugzilla-traceparser ? The traceparser might be a good-enough

Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Myriam Schweingruber
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 17:25, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2012 17:00:29 Christoph Feck wrote: ... I have long been interested why users keep reporting duplicates. Instead of guessing, let's just ask them in a nice way. I added

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread henry miller
Don't forget security and privacy. The last n keys would be a bad thing to have if the user just entered a password. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote: Quoting Niko Sams niko.s...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-13 Thread Niko Sams
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:27, Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote: Hmm, its indeed not easy to find something fitting. Looking at the code of one of the links found in this thread, I notice its written in perl. While I understand the urge to do that, I'm not convinced that there is enough perl

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Teemu Rytilahti
Niko Sams wrote: Hi, Hello, more discussion about how to handle bugs are welcome, I hope. Wasn't able to get in to the earlier thread, so I thought I should post something here. In short: DrKonqi shouldn't create bugs directly but talk to a layer between. This really depends on how

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Milian Wolff
On Monday 12 March 2012 02:14:00 Teemu Rytilahti wrote: Niko Sams wrote: Hi, Hello, more discussion about how to handle bugs are welcome, I hope. Wasn't able to get in to the earlier thread, so I thought I should post something here. In short: DrKonqi shouldn't create bugs directly

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Thomas Zander
On Sunday 11 March 2012 11.26.53 Niko Sams wrote: I'd like to talk about an idea on how DrKonqi [] What software could crashes.kde.org run? I'm not sure, maybe abugzilla installation or somethingcustom written. Or some other bugtracking software. I'd say this is a great idea, mostly because

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Teemu Rytilahti
Milian Wolff wrote: Hi again, While nice this is not required for Niko's proposal. Either the backtrace is automatically associated with a solution, or a developer later on associates it with a solution or a bug report. In the former case, the user gets direct feedback on what's going on. In

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread David Jarvie
On Mon, March 12, 2012 10:36 am, Thomas Zander wrote: On Sunday 11 March 2012 11.26.53 Niko Sams wrote: I'd like to talk about an idea on how DrKonqi [] What software could crashes.kde.org run? I'm not sure, maybe abugzilla installation or somethingcustom written. Or some other bugtracking

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Niko Sams
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 13:57, henry miller h...@millerfarm.com wrote: Good ideas, if anyone actually implements it. A couple of comments. Most users are not programmers - they will not know how to recogize similear backtraces are the same root cause. Worse I know of many cases where I - a

Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Niko Sams
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 19:34, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Monday 12 March 2012 19:26:27 Niko Sams wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 13:57, henry miller h...@millerfarm.com wrote: Good ideas, if anyone actually implements it. A couple of comments. Most users are not

Re: Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 12 March 2012 19:39:12 Niko Sams wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 19:34, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Monday 12 March 2012 19:26:27 Niko Sams wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 13:57, henry miller h...@millerfarm.com wrote: Good ideas, if anyone actually implements it. A

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Niko Sams
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:54, Milian Wolff m...@milianw.de wrote: On Monday 12 March 2012 02:14:00 Teemu Rytilahti wrote: - When getting duplicate backtraces from users the bug entry could be updated automatically with the version the crash happened, this would in my opinion be a plus in a

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Niko Sams
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 01:14, Teemu Rytilahti t...@iki.fi wrote: This really depends on how it'd be used, but perhaps yeah, this might be a good idea indeed. This is something I encountered while working on a course paper earlier this semester. Similar systems are up there for Mozilla

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Niko Sams
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 17:32, Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote: On Monday 12 March 2012 16.20.00 David Jarvie wrote: There would be an advantage in giving instant feedback to the user if possible, but if that turns out to be impractical, Thomas's suggestion of using background processing on

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Niko Sams
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:36, Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote: On Sunday 11 March 2012 11.26.53 Niko Sams wrote: I'd like to talk about an idea on how DrKonqi [] What software could crashes.kde.org run? I'm not sure, maybe abugzilla installation or somethingcustom written. Or some

DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-11 Thread Niko Sams
Hi, I'd like to talk about an idea on how DrKonqi (which is a really useful thing btw) could be further improved. In short: DrKonqi shouldn't create bugs directly but talk to a layer between. DrKonqi - crashes.kde.org - bugs.kde.org crashes.kde.org is a new web application - a bit similar to

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-11 Thread Anders Lund
Søndag den 11. marts 2012 11:26:53 skrev Niko Sams: Hi, I'd like to talk about an idea on how DrKonqi (which is a really useful thing btw) could be further improved. In short: DrKonqi shouldn't create bugs directly but talk to a layer between. DrKonqi - crashes.kde.org - bugs.kde.org

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-11 Thread Steven Sroka
On 2012-03-11, at 10:21 AM, Milian Wolff wrote: On Sunday 11 March 2012 11:26:53 Niko Sams wrote: Hi, I'd like to talk about an idea on how DrKonqi (which is a really useful thing btw) could be further improved. In short: DrKonqi shouldn't create bugs directly but talk to a layer

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-11 Thread Niko Sams
Am 11.03.2012 17:34 schrieb Steven Sroka sroka.ste...@gmail.com: On 2012-03-11, at 10:21 AM, Milian Wolff wrote: On Sunday 11 March 2012 11:26:53 Niko Sams wrote: Hi, I'd like to talk about an idea on how DrKonqi (which is a really useful thing btw) could be further improved. In

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-11 Thread Gary Greene
On Mar 11, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Niko Sams wrote: Hi, I'd like to talk about an idea on how DrKonqi (which is a really useful thing btw) could be further improved. In short: DrKonqi shouldn't create bugs directly but talk to a layer between. DrKonqi - crashes.kde.org - bugs.kde.org

Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-11 Thread henry miller
Good ideas, if anyone actually implements it. A couple of comments. Most users are not programmers - they will not know how to recogize similear backtraces are the same root cause. Worse I know of many cases where I - a programmer - was wrong. The more automated detection we can do the better.