RE: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-24 Thread Annette Meldrum
Hi Devon and all. I did some research into the early tapes for my book on Borris Lace. See p.14 Mezzo Punto was first employed by lacemakers in Milan and Genoa in the 17th century according to Mrs Head, The Lace and Embroidery Collector, 1922, p33. The manufacture of braids was an important craft

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-24 Thread Lyn Bailey
By now I should not be amazed by the amount of collective erudition there is in Arachne, but this discussion is an example. One must also remember the inkle loom, which is particularly good at making tapes of all kinds. And the saying, from I forget where, thick as inkle weavers probably

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto-ribbon loom?

2013-11-24 Thread Dmt11home
Thanks Annette. This is very helpful. There seems to have been something called a ribbon loom which could weave multiple narrow ribbons simultaneously. There are some photos of the loom on the site of the Comines Ribbon Industry Museum http://ribbonindustrymuseum.wordpress.com/ I wonder

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto-ribbon loom?

2013-11-24 Thread Malvary Cole
The thought of ribbon making came to me last night in bed. Coventry was a centre of ribbon making in England and the silk used was, in the 1800's was 'farmed' in the Cotswolds and the occupations of women and girls that I've come across in doing our family research shows that many were

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-24 Thread Bev Walker
The tape lace discussion is most interesting. In further erudition, 'inkle' means small; having made inkle tapes on the associated contraption, I don't see how the sewing edge can be achieved, as in bobbin lace. The warp threads on the inkle loom can only be of a given length, whereas with bobbin

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-24 Thread Dmt11home
The tapes in question do not have a sewing edge as in a twist, twist, whole stitch, twist, twist. There are no spaces. They are solid like a shoe lace. Some are woven perpendicularly. Some appear to be woven diagonally. If you look at the piece, 88.2.7 on the museum site, a piece said to

RE: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto-ribbon loom?

2013-11-24 Thread Annette Meldrum
...@ozemail.com.au; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto-ribbon loom? Thanks Annette. This is very helpful. There seems to have been something called a ribbon loom which could weave multiple narrow ribbons simultaneously. There are some photos of the loom on the site

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto-ribbon loom?

2013-11-24 Thread KATRINA WORLEY
Weaver here, and one who works with band looms and historic techniques. The older term for “ribbon” comes from it’s woven structure… “rib band”, so you might also see the spelling “ribband” in the older references. These bands were often woven with a close-set warp and a weft that’s pulled tight,

[lace] 17th c. premade tapes mezzo punto

2013-11-24 Thread Lorelei Halley
Devon: These are the thoughts and questions that spring to mind upon looking at your example. 1st: I did see several Genoese early laces at the Art Institute of Chicago which had what looked like continuous tallies, made with more than 2 pairs. In the photo you have showed us there is too much

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes mezzo punto

2013-11-24 Thread Dmt11home
I realize that this is not a good example because the photography does not allow you to see the transitions. I also realize I have some photos of privately owned pieces that I could post on one of the Ning sites. (Sorry, have never gotten the hang of the arachne flicker site.) What group do

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-24 Thread Shelly
I wonder if these were made on a tape loom. I had the opportunity to get a photo of one at a historical site a few years ago : http://www.flickr.com/photos/8617487@N08/3690979159/in/set-72157621006080174/ It would make sense that it was made on a loom instead of by bobbins. Also, it makes me

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-24 Thread Bev Walker
Good photo, this is a rigid heddle loom. A drawback to this device is abrasion on the threads. Short lengths of tape/weaving/cord/lace/bands whatever to call the smallwares, would be strong and possibly quite thick in proportion to their width. Something else to think about, in the time period of

[lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-23 Thread Dmt11home
In the 17th century there were laces made from premade tapes. The tapes were tacked onto a pattern and filled with often very beautiful and elaborate needle lace stitches. These tapes look to be of woven linen. When the tapes go around a curve they are gathered, or turned over, so it is

[lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-23 Thread Karen M. Zammit Manduca
During my University of Malta Diploma in Lace Studies course, we explored needlelaces and made a tape for a motif ourselves using bobbins and upright Maltese lace pillow. Karen in Malta - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here.

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-23 Thread Dmt11home
Karen wrote: During my University of Malta Diploma in Lace Studies course, we explored needlelaces and made a tape for a motif ourselves using bobbins and upright Maltese lace pillow. How did you make the tape with bobbins? Specifically what kind of edge did it have? Was it a tape with

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-23 Thread suebabbs385
And having made Battenberg type laces using tapes where you have to gather and ease the tapes around corners, I would much rather spend the time making a bobbin lace tape to fit the shape first. All the tapes I inherited seem machine woven to my eye. Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com - To

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-23 Thread Karen M. Zammit Manduca
I'm afraid I cannot answer many of your questions because we did not go into depth on these laces. What we did was a cloth stitch braid with a 'straight edge' (i.e. some of you Spideys out there have referred to it as 'pin under four'). We then gathered to go around curves. I preferred to have a

Re: [lace] 17th c. premade tapes, Mezzo Punto

2013-11-23 Thread Jeriames
Dear Devon, Where to start on this one!? Not everyone uses the term Mezzo Punto, for example. You might like to reference my 2-volume 1913 set of Old Italian Lace by Eliza Ricci. Volume II is about Bobbin Laces, and though she does not ever use the term Mezzo Punto, you might see more