On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Giuliano Colla
wrote:
> Back to the original thread subject, IMO the best course is simply to remove
> the PaintSwastika procedure, which is out of place in a small collection of
> simple graphic shapes ...
Yes, I also realized how limited the selection of graphs t
Il 09/01/2016 14:09, Juha Manninen ha scritto:
What if come up with library that draws all important symbols?
Well, of course you're free to do with your time whatever you please or
feel right about.
But please consider the following.
The Internet is crowded with drawings of all conceivable
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:34 PM, Giuliano Colla
wrote:
> But if you take a small collection where the only one politically relevant
> is the swastika, then you have a collection which is politically BIASED, not
> politically NEUTRAL.
This collection of shapes is quite limited indeed. One could sa
Il 08/01/2016 18:47, Juha Manninen ha scritto:
No, this project must be politically NEUTRAL instead.
I perfectly agree with this statement of yours, but this is not the case.
I would never object to a collection of religious and political symbols,
where swastika could have its place together
On 01/08/2016 10:44 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:05:56 -0500
wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:
[...]
There is a difference between forbidding a flag and promoting it.
having built-in procedures to paint flags and symbols is not promoting those
symbols and flags...
I'm gla
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:14 AM, Anthony Walter wrote:
> I have five uncles, on both my mother's and father's
> side, who fought and died in WW2. When I've visited their graves in France
> and Hawaii everyone I met seemed to a good understanding of the war's cost
> in human life on both sides, and
Now this is strange: a "FREE SOFTWARE" project discussing whether they
should or should not discuss political/historical/cultural views.
2016-01-08 13:43 GMT-03:00 Shaun O'Connor :
> I concur completely, Just because a particular graphic is included in the
> distribution densest oblige one to ma
my 2 cents
in a development environment there should be no room for any kind of
symbolism, only primitives
any symbolism can safely stand in an external/extra/optional library
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I concur completely, Just because a particular graphic is included in
the distribution densest oblige one to make use of it.
If we all got nit picky about the meaning of various symbols we would
never get anywhere, , I say let the matter rest and concentrate on
continuing the good work of a
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:05:56 -0500
wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:
>[...]
> > There is a difference between forbidding a flag and promoting it.
>
> having built-in procedures to paint flags and symbols is not promoting those
> symbols and flags...
I'm glad that you agree that removing a helper fu
My two cents.
This has gotten completely out of hand. When an item has multiple
meanings (e.g., artistic, religious or offensive political history) we
should give it the benefit of the doubt and LEAVE IT IN.
This is Lazarus (an international programming organization), not a
totalitarian reg
On Fr, 2016-01-08 at 08:16 -0500, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:43 AM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
>
> > People see something and are driven by feelings. I watched a case like
> > this already regarding FreeBSD. Some users insisted of changing the
> > deamon logo because they are
On 01/08/2016 06:16 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:19:09 +0100
Zeljko wrote:
[...]
Shall we ask hollywood producers to stop making
movies/documentaries which shows german nazi flag ? Shall we ask video
games makers to stop produce games which shows nazi symbols (eg.
wolfens
The historic relativism in some mails are shocking and shows
horrific lack of historic knowledge.
There was nothing good about the Nazis and it was their ideology and
symbolism that got them to power and still attracts people to their
twisted beliefs.
There is nothing wrong with a PaintSwastika o
On Fr, 2016-01-08 at 08:25 -0500, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:48 AM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
>
> > It is. I'm living in Germany, and the law forbids the use of Nazi
> > symbols. I don't know exactly, what it looks like, but there actually is
> > a clear definition how it loo
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:48 AM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
> It is. I'm living in Germany, and the law forbids the use of Nazi
> symbols. I don't know exactly, what it looks like, but there actually is
> a clear definition how it looks like. Probably the circle around the
> swastika and the color schem
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:43 AM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
> People see something and are driven by feelings. I watched a case like
> this already regarding FreeBSD. Some users insisted of changing the
> deamon logo because they are afraif of the devil. Rather ridiculous, it
> actually was a cuddly to
On 01/08/2016 01:36 PM, ListMember wrote:
A quick search reveals 69 occurrences of 'cunt' and 499 occurrences of
'shit' (either as whole word or part of one) [see below for details].
Please do this again for the native languages of all forum members !
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On 08/01/16 10:40, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:27:50 +0200
> Juha Manninen wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> Unfortunately popular symbols get negative associations sometimes. How
>> long it takes to get rid of them?
>
> As long as it takes to get rid of Neo-Nazis.
Writi
Mattias,
This sudden eruption of political correctness inspired me; and, as a
person of proper upbringing, it led me to realize just how offended I
have been all through these years of the profanity and vulgar language
sprinkled in and among Lazarus sourcecode.
A quick search reveals 69 occu
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:19:09 +0100
Zeljko wrote:
>[...]
> Shall we ask hollywood producers to stop making
> movies/documentaries which shows german nazi flag ? Shall we ask video
> games makers to stop produce games which shows nazi symbols (eg.
> wolfenstein) ? C'mon ppl what drugs do you use
Ondrej Pokorny wrote:
On 08.01.2016 11:35, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
The unit provides example functions for some common symbols, especially
drawing flags (e.g. PaintBarbadosTrident, PaintCanadianMaple).
It does not support a big amount of flags and symbols. It only supports
a few selected flags a
On 08.01.2016 11:35, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
The unit provides example functions for some common symbols, especially
drawing flags (e.g. PaintBarbadosTrident, PaintCanadianMaple).
It does not support a big amount of flags and symbols. It only supports
a few selected flags and one of them was the
On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:27:50 +0200
Juha Manninen wrote:
>[...]
> Unfortunately popular symbols get negative associations sometimes. How
> long it takes to get rid of them?
As long as it takes to get rid of Neo-Nazis.
How long does it take to find out that this thread is going off-topic?
Mattias
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 01:27:20 +0100
"Roberto P." wrote:
> My 2 cents:
>
> 1) a program routine is just a program routine, like pencils or a
> paintbrush; neither of them is symbol.
> If you are not comfortable with that symbol (any symbol that can be
> offensive to anyone), you just have not to pa
On 01/08/2016 10:48 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Juha Manninen wrote:
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Terry A. Haimann
wrote:
As someone of Jewish heritage I say get rid of it.
Mattias actually removed the function, obeying like a good German boy
when somebody with "Jewish heritage" tells
Juha,
Well said. This clearly came from the heart. It is not important as to
whether or not I agree with what you have said. What is important is
that you have and have exercised the right of free speech and that is
what this is all about. Free speech may not include the "right to shout
fire
Juha Manninen wrote:
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Terry A. Haimann wrote:
As someone of Jewish heritage I say get rid of it.
Mattias actually removed the function, obeying like a good German boy
when somebody with "Jewish heritage" tells him. Uhhh, I can't believe
he did so!
I read what
On Do, 2016-01-07 at 18:14 -0500, Anthony Walter wrote:
> > Napoleon conquered the world some 200 years ago. That is long enough as
> nobody seems to have strong negative association with his actions
>
> Follow this link if you want to see why WW2, and by extension the people
> who created it and
On Do, 2016-01-07 at 23:27 +0200, Juha Manninen wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev
> wrote:
> > Swastika = Nazis, by default these days.
>
> Ok, this must be a cultural difference then.
It is. I'm living in Germany, and the law forbids the use of Nazi
symbols. I don't k
On Do, 2016-01-07 at 22:20 +0200, Juha Manninen wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
> > Maybe this discussion can be closed when the names are mangled for
> > political correctness and/or there is a clear statement added in the
> > unit in question.
>
> What is wrong wit
My 2 cents:
1) a program routine is just a program routine, like pencils or a
paintbrush; neither of them is symbol.
If you are not comfortable with that symbol (any symbol that can be
offensive to anyone), you just have not to paint it and not to call the
routine.
Think about the difference!
(Exa
On 01/07/2016 06:14 PM, Anthony Walter wrote:
Even if you like the shape of the Nazi style Swastika, and have appreciation
of its history in Finland, most everyone in the developed Western world now
recognizes it as a symbol of Nazism,
due to pure ignorance and lack of proper teaching of its tr
On 2016-01-08 01:14, Anthony Walter wrote:
http://www.fallen.io/ww2/
In short, WW2 resulted in more deaths than any event in human history
including the Black Death, the Napoleonic wars, the great Flu Pandemic
of 1918, and Pol Pot anti intellectualism cleansing or chairman Mao's
program of c
> Napoleon conquered the world some 200 years ago. That is long enough as
nobody seems to have strong negative association with his actions
Follow this link if you want to see why WW2, and by extension the people
who created it and the symbols they used, is such a big deal:
http://www.fallen.io/w
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Anthony Walter wrote:
> Europe has long a history of anti semitism, something which most reasonable
> people recognize. Perhaps this is the cultural difference you're touching
> upon.
Ok, maybe the sentiments around those issues are still so strong that
it is har
> Napoleon conquered the world some 200 years ago. That is long enough as
nobody seems to have strong negative association with his actions
Napoleon didn't try to exterminate a race of people by cooking 6 million of
them in factory ovens 24/7.
Europe has long a history of anti semitism, somethin
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev
wrote:
> Swastika = Nazis, by default these days.
Ok, this must be a cultural difference then. I have talked and read
about this symbol in context of historical use and current use in
India, and the word "swastika" had no such negative meaning t
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Juha Manninen
wrote:
>
> What means "political correctness" exactly?
>
It's use of language. Use the words that would not provoke, insult of make
feel bad anyone.
I doubt the thread would ever come up, if the function were named
PaintCrookedCross as Ondrej pointed
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
> Maybe this discussion can be closed when the names are mangled for
> political correctness and/or there is a clear statement added in the
> unit in question.
What is wrong with the names? The symbol is called "swastika".
https://en.wikipedi
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Terry A. Haimann wrote:
> As someone of Jewish heritage I say get rid of it.
Mattias actually removed the function, obeying like a good German boy
when somebody with "Jewish heritage" tells him. Uhhh, I can't believe
he did so!
I planned to write "let's stop this
On Do, 2016-01-07 at 11:40 +0100, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 17:32:46 +0100
> Marc Santhoff wrote:
>
> >[...]
> > > NB. The function was apparently introduced by Seppo (over 9 years ago)
> >
> > Who's that? A Nazi, historan or hindu? A joker most probably.
>
> Our Finnish tra
On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 17:32:46 +0100
Marc Santhoff wrote:
>[...]
> > NB. The function was apparently introduced by Seppo (over 9 years ago)
>
> Who's that? A Nazi, historan or hindu? A joker most probably.
Our Finnish translator since 12 years.
Mattias
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On Do, 2016-01-07 at 00:02 +0100, Sven Barth wrote:
> Am 06.01.2016 20:44 schrieb "Marc Santhoff" :
> > Got some silver knifes and black candles at hand?
>
> Ehm... You do know that the one with the tip at the top is *not* a satanic
> symbol? It's a protective symbol instead. The satanic one is th
Am 06.01.2016 21:25 schrieb "Graeme Geldenhuys" <
mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk>:
>
> On 2016-01-06 19:21, Anthony Walter wrote:
> > but our lcl
> > version precisely matches the Nazi version.
>
> No it doesn't - if you want to get technical. The star isn't drawn
> inside a circle (as your screensh
Am 06.01.2016 20:44 schrieb "Marc Santhoff" :
> Got some silver knifes and black candles at hand?
Ehm... You do know that the one with the tip at the top is *not* a satanic
symbol? It's a protective symbol instead. The satanic one is the one
standing on its tip. I should know, because I like to we
On 01/06/2016 03:23 PM, Ondrej Pokorny wrote:
On 06.01.2016 21:09, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
Indeed! PaintSwastika draws a religious rune, not a Nazi symbol!
Indeed! Therefore PaintSwastika should be renamed to "PaintCrookedCross" to
comply with "PaintFivePointLineStar".
It doesn't make sense
On 06.01.2016 21:48, Ondrej Pokorny wrote:
On 06.01.2016 21:29, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
Any objection if I add PaintHammerAndSickle procedure too?
On the contrary, please do so! I also suggest to wait with 1.6 RC2 so
that it could be merged.
For the sake of completeness we also shouldn'
On 06.01.2016 21:40, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
In the end. It's not about a routine. It's about how an end user
(developer) apply it.
Maybe they're developing the very next version of Wolfenstain 3d game
or creating a historic application or whatever.
Library is a tool, it's not intended to be
On 06.01.2016 21:29, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
Any objection if I add PaintHammerAndSickle procedure too?
On the contrary, please do so! I also suggest to wait with 1.6 RC2 so
that it could be merged.
Ondrej
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Anthony Walter wrote:
> Regarding a patch, can whomever creates/applies it insure the
> PaintSwastika procedure does not default to the Nazi symbol characteristics?
>
It's easy, just changing LineWidth: Single = 0.20 to whatever
But how about backwards compatibili
Regarding a patch, can whomever creates/applies it insure the PaintSwastika
procedure does not default to the Nazi symbol characteristics?
That is don't default the leaf widths to 1/5th the linear width (The Nazi
version is the only swastika with those proportions. Please don't default
to the Nazi
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Ondrej Pokorny wrote:
> Indeed! Therefore PaintSwastika should be renamed to "PaintCrookedCross"
> to comply with "PaintFivePointLineStar".
>
> It doesn't make sense to have Swastika and then omit Pentagram. Lazarus
> sources should be uniform.
>
Any objection if
On 2016-01-06 19:45, Marc Santhoff wrote:
> Got some silver knifes and black candles at hand?
No, you got to rotate it by about 15 to 20 degrees first. ;-)
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On 2016-01-06 19:21, Anthony Walter wrote:
> but our lcl
> version precisely matches the Nazi version.
No it doesn't - if you want to get technical. The star isn't drawn
inside a circle (as your screenshot clearly shows). It also isn't drawn
on a red background by default.
Dude, you are reading w
On 06.01.2016 21:09, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
Indeed! PaintSwastika draws a religious rune, not a Nazi symbol!
Indeed! Therefore PaintSwastika should be renamed to "PaintCrookedCross"
to comply with "PaintFivePointLineStar".
It doesn't make sense to have Swastika and then omit Pentagram. La
On 2016-01-06 19:21, Anthony Walter wrote:
> Guess which one the
> lcl function draws?
It still looks like a Ninja throwing star to me. ;-)
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
> I see. But from that view: the Nazi symbol is named "Hakenkreuz", not
> "Swastika". If you argue like this, you can revert the patch. ;)
>
> Indeed! PaintSwastika draws a religious rune, not a Nazi symbol!
thanks,
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Anthony Walter wrote:
> There are many versions of the religious swastika symbol, but is only one
> version of the swastika is draw with the squared capped leaves and a stroke
> width exactly equal to 1/5th of the linear diameter. Guess which one the
> lcl function
On Mi, 2016-01-06 at 14:50 -0500, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
>
> >
> > How about that:
> >
> > PaintFivePointLineStar(PaintBox1.Canvas, r);
> >
> > Got some silver knifes and black candles at hand?
> >
>
> That's the point :) It's FivePoint
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
>
> How about that:
>
> PaintFivePointLineStar(PaintBox1.Canvas, r);
>
> Got some silver knifes and black candles at hand?
>
That's the point :) It's FivePointLineStart, not Pentagram. (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram)
It might look
On Mi, 2016-01-06 at 13:07 -0500, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
> ExtGraphics doesn't really have any other religions/cultural symbols there.
Hooray! Let's sing!
"Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead"
How about that:
procedure TForm1.PaintBox1Paint(Sender: TObject);
var
r: TRect;
begin
r.Top := 0;
Juha Manninen wrote:
From Bart:
Current state is that the Swastika now has very strong
associations witj the Nazi regime and all the evil it stood for.
Then it is time to change that association.
Maybe it is a cultural thing but here most people understand the big
picture and don't judge the s
There are many versions of the religious swastika symbol, but is only one
version of the swastika is draw with the squared capped leaves and a stroke
width exactly equal to 1/5th of the linear diameter. Guess which one the
lcl function draws?
http://cache.getlazarus.org/images/nazi_symbol.png
And
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Juha Manninen
wrote:
> Dmitry, you have full SVN write access, don't you? You can commit it
> without any bug reports.
> There could be more variations. Swastika has been drawn standing on
> its side, clockwise and counter-clockwise, and standing on its corner.
>
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev
wrote:
> Fair enough.
> Here's the patch. (Anyone,) please create a bug report, so it could be
> applied.
Dmitry, you have full SVN write access, don't you? You can commit it
without any bug reports.
There could be more variations. Swastika has b
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Vojtěch Čihák
wrote:
> I vote for keeping procedure but there should be added boolean parameter +
> patch for painting anti-clockwise swastika (which is religious symbol
> only).
>
Fair enough.
Here's the patch. (Anyone,) please create a bug report, so it could b
On 2016-01-06 05:51, Anthony Walter wrote:
> Do we really need this procedure in the lcl?
This discussion is ridiculous! With thinking like that even the project
name "Lazarus" can't be used. Get real people!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Symbol_in_various_scripts
When I look at that,
On Mi, 2016-01-06 at 16:31 +0100, Bart wrote:
Look there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
> While I am willing to defend each and everyone's freedom of speech,
> IMO this does not imply that we (the Lazarus community) should
> actively support speading such logo's.
> (Nor should we e.g. s
On Wed, 6 Jan 2016, Vojtěch Čihák wrote:
Hi,
I just tested and PaintSwastika always paints clockwise swastika
(both religious and nazi symbol).
I vote for keeping procedure but there should be added boolean parameter +
patch for painting anti-clockwise swastika (which is religious symbol o
On 1/6/16, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:
> Swastika glyph is in Unicode standard.
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Symbol_in_various_scripts
Bart
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Datum: 06.01.2016 15:54
Předmět: Re: [Lazarus] Do we really need a PaintSwastika procedure?
On Mi, 2016-01-06 at 00:51 -0500, Anthony Walter wrote:
While browsing the docs I found:
http://docs.getlazarus.org/#lcl+extgraphics
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Bart wrote:
>
> So, yes, IMVPAPO, it should be removed.
>
>
Swastika glyph is in Unicode standard. That actually an excuses for having
the function available.
(i.e. if a font doesn't support swastika, it could be drawn manually).
thanks,
Dmitry
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On 1/6/16, Marc Santhoff wrote:
>> Do we really need this procedure in the lcl? I think it should probably
>> be
>> removed.
>
> Additionally to Micheals answer:
>
> Please don't be foolish. Would you want to dispel any star symbol
> because the soviet union, satanists and northern korea use(d) a
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
> One could demand to remove any religious reference, then the name would
> have to be changed.
>
IIRC even "Lazarus" name was discussed at some point as having religious
reference.
Which is kind-of is... but to avoid another Phoenix bird named
On Mi, 2016-01-06 at 00:51 -0500, Anthony Walter wrote:
> While browsing the docs I found:
>
> http://docs.getlazarus.org/#lcl+extgraphics+paintswastika
Btw., I only see a header and an empty page ...
> Do we really need this procedure in the lcl? I think it should probably be
> removed.
Additi
On Wed, 6 Jan 2016, Anthony Walter wrote:
While browsing the docs I found:
http://docs.getlazarus.org/#lcl+extgraphics+paintswastika
Do we really need this procedure in the lcl? I think it should probably be
removed. If anyone wants to see the details of when it was committed to
svn, the ins
While browsing the docs I found:
http://docs.getlazarus.org/#lcl+extgraphics+paintswastika
Do we really need this procedure in the lcl? I think it should probably be
removed. If anyone wants to see the details of when it was committed to
svn, the inserted revision number is 9692.
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