On 18 July 2013 14:46, Paulo Costa paco.mail.telepac...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/07/2013 14:31, Kenneth Cochran wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Reimar Grabowski reimg...@web.de
mailto:reimg...@web.de wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:17:29 +0200
Reinier Olislagers
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:17:29 +0200
Reinier Olislagers reinierolislag...@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless, I don't think prolonging this thread is very useful.
+1
R.
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Reimar Grabowski reimg...@web.de wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:17:29 +0200
Reinier Olislagers reinierolislag...@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless, I don't think prolonging this thread is very useful.
+1
I invoke Godwin's law.
You're all a bunch of Hilter lovin'
On 18/07/2013 14:31, Kenneth Cochran wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Reimar Grabowski reimg...@web.de
mailto:reimg...@web.de wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:17:29 +0200
Reinier Olislagers reinierolislag...@gmail.com
mailto:reinierolislag...@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless,
On 07/16/2013 11:58 AM, Henry Vermaak wrote:
They're just paying you back in kind :)
Please note that I died not mean experts ironically in any way. I
meant: true experts being funny by exaggerating.
Sorry for maybe being unclear.
-Michael
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On 16/07/2013 18:18, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16-7-2013 11:53, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Ranting from a position of ignorance seriously dilutes your credibility
in my book.
I'm just saying the rants may be justified if mysql
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:49:48AM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16/07/2013 18:18, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16-7-2013 11:53, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Ranting from a position of ignorance seriously dilutes your credibility
On 17/07/2013 11:03, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:49:48AM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16/07/2013 18:18, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16-7-2013 11:53, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Ranting from a position of
On 15-7-2013 18:40, Ludo Brands wrote:
On 07/15/2013 05:53 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
Need other default (mis)behaviors for MySQL?
-insert 123test in an integer field: no error, it inserts 123
-insert 123test in a datetime field: no error, it inserts -00-00
00:00:00
-insert 123 in a
Reinier Olislagers wrote:
It's not a bug, it's a feature: MySQL accepts data other DBs wouldn't
touch with a 10 foot pole ;)
(Don't ask about it proceeding and mangling that data - that's beside
the point ;) )
If it really is so bad, why have so many developers- in particularly web
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Reinier Olislagers wrote:
It's not a bug, it's a feature: MySQL accepts data other DBs wouldn't
touch with a 10 foot pole ;)
(Don't ask about it proceeding and mangling that data - that's beside
the point ;) )
If it really is so bad, why have
Hi Mark
On 16 July 2013 09:47, lazarus-requ...@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org wrote:
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If it really is so bad, why have so many developers- in
On 16-7-2013 10:59, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Reinier Olislagers wrote:
It's not a bug, it's a feature: MySQL accepts data other DBs wouldn't
touch with a 10 foot pole ;)
(Don't ask about it proceeding and mangling that data - that's beside
the
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:33:45AM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Reinier Olislagers wrote:
It's not a bug, it's a feature: MySQL accepts data other DBs wouldn't
touch with a 10 foot pole ;)
(Don't ask about it proceeding and mangling that data - that's beside
the point ;) )
If it
On 16-7-2013 11:17, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:33:45AM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
If it really is so bad, why have so many developers- in particularly
web developers- clasped it to their bosom?
Probably not, no, given that it's used by wikipedia, google, twitter,
On 07/16/2013 11:17 AM, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Probably not, no, given that it's used by ...
I seem to find out that this discussion is about experts making fun on
each other, just wasting some bandwidth :-) .
-Michael
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Reinier Olislagers wrote:
There's lots of whacky code out there that still is used in production,
and patched endlessly whenever the next error pops up. Doesn't mean it's
a good idea to go down that path.
That said, I agree about the configuring+ranting part, but I'm not sure
to what level of
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/16/2013 11:17 AM, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Probably not, no, given that it's used by ...
I seem to find out that this discussion is about experts making fun on each
other, just wasting some bandwidth :-) .
That's the best joke I've heard in
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:22:44AM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16-7-2013 11:17, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:33:45AM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
If it really is so bad, why have so many developers- in particularly
web developers- clasped it to their bosom?
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:28:38AM +0200, Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/16/2013 11:17 AM, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Probably not, no, given that it's used by ...
I seem to find out that this discussion is about experts making fun
on each other, just wasting some bandwidth :-) .
They're just
Hi Henry
On 16 July 2013 10:28, lazarus-requ...@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org wrote:
From: Henry Vermaak henry.verm...@gmail.com
snip
If it really is so bad, why have so many developers- in particularly
web developers- clasped it to their bosom?
Probably not, no, given that it's used by
On 16-7-2013 11:53, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:22:44AM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16-7-2013 11:17, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:33:45AM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
If it really is so bad, why have so many developers- in particularly
web
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16-7-2013 11:53, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Ranting from a position of ignorance seriously dilutes your credibility
in my book.
I'm just saying the rants may be justified if mysql cannot be configured
to follow the RDBMS
Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16-7-2013 11:53, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Ranting from a position of ignorance seriously dilutes your credibility
in my book.
I'm just saying the rants may be justified if mysql cannot be configured
to
On 16 Jul 2013 20:39, Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk
wrote:
Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 16-7-2013 11:53, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Ranting from a position of ignorance seriously dilutes your credibility
in my
On 07/13/2013 03:52 PM, leledumbo wrote:
The whole JEDI sucks, dependencies hell everywhere and IS TIED TO WINDOWS!
...
It's at least five years ago when I was dealing with the Jedi community.
I remember that at that time they have been tpersuing compatibility with
FPC/Lazarus at least in
On 07/13/2013 04:01 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote:
- many turbopower components work.
But unfortunately this does not include AsyncPro, while a decent,
comfortable, unified, OS-independent way to handle data streams form/to
Serial Ports and TCP/IP sockets (i.e. using blocked I/O in hidden
Michael Schnell wrote:
On 07/13/2013 04:01 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote:
- VST is in Lazarus-CCR, but an older v4 version. VST porting is
hindered by not accepting changes (like a sane IFDEF system) upstream,
which makes every port an one off change.
As I am interested in this and did some
On 2013-07-13 15:08, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
but didn't want to tell him bluntly that his
understanding was outdated.
Bluntly is the best way to say something. ;-)
Regards,
G.
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On 2013-07-13 15:06, reinierolislag...@gmail.com wrote:
The fact that they're connecting to
the horror that is MySQL says enough
Indeed! More people should be introduced [and educated] to the much
better open source database servers out there, like Firebird and PostgreSQL.
Regards,
G.
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leledumbo wrote:
Indeed! More people should be introduced [and educated] to the much
better open source database servers out there, like Firebird and
PostgreSQL.
Or if they insist on using MySQL (compatible alternative): MariaDB
The OP's backend was half constructed.
There was also a
On 2013-07-15 13:43, leledumbo wrote:
Or if they insist on using MySQL (compatible alternative): MariaDB
Nope, still not! I'll not touch MySQL, MariaDB or anything based on
those with a 10 foot pole! If you value your data, stay away from those two.
Another developer enlightened me on how bad
On 2013-07-15 14:38, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
People using MySQL should have their developers license revoked :)
I like that! :)
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:49:06PM +0100, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2013-07-15 13:43, leledumbo wrote:
Or if they insist on using MySQL (compatible alternative): MariaDB
Nope, still not! I'll not touch MySQL, MariaDB or anything based on
those with a 10 foot pole! If you value your
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:49:06PM +0100, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2013-07-15 13:43, leledumbo wrote:
Or if they insist on using MySQL (compatible alternative): MariaDB
Nope, still not! I'll not touch MySQL, MariaDB or anything based on
those
On 2013-07-15 15:06, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Could you explain why the above is bad for those of us that aren't DB
experts? To my untrained eye it looks fairly plausible, so I'm
obviously missing something.
I never inserted data into column C, so MySQL decided on its own that it
should
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 03:44:42PM +0100, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2013-07-15 15:06, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Could you explain why the above is bad for those of us that aren't DB
experts? To my untrained eye it looks fairly plausible, so I'm
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Henry Vermaak wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:37:35PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Could you explain why the above is bad for those of us that aren't DB
experts? To my untrained eye it looks fairly plausible, so I'm
On 2013-07-15 16:40, Henry Vermaak wrote:
If you want an INSERT statement to generate an error unless you
explicitly specify values for all columns that do not have a default
value, you should use strict mode.
And G*d only knows why they have such modes in the first place! You
would think
On 2013-07-15 16:42, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I seem to remember something about table columns having default values
in the definition, so perhaps column C defaults to 0?
It should only do that when specifically instructed.
Exactly... SQL's data definition language has specific support
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:53:25PM +0100, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
The case sensitivity in the table names is also crazy, especially if
the database gets moved. I had to modify quite a lot of SQL statements
because of that. For MySQL support I had to look up the table name (as
MySQL has it),
On 07/15/2013 05:53 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2013-07-15 16:40, Henry Vermaak wrote:
If you want an INSERT statement to generate an error unless you
explicitly specify values for all columns that do not have a default
value, you should use strict mode.
And G*d only knows why they
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 03:44:42PM +0100, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2013-07-15 15:06, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Could you explain why the above is bad for those of us that aren't DB
experts? To my untrained eye it looks fairly plausible, so I'm
obviously missing something.
I never inserted
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:37:35PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Henry Vermaak wrote:
Could you explain why the above is bad for those of us that aren't DB
experts? To my untrained eye it looks fairly plausible, so I'm
obviously missing something.
Simple. The
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
Then depending on which filesystem your MySQL database is, it affectsthe case
sensitivity
Definitely a problem. However even on something like PostgreSQL there
can be case-sensitivity issues with e.g. usernames/roles.
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Al 15/07/13 15:12, En/na Mark Morgan Lloyd ha escrit:
There was also a requirement to interface to PLCs etc. (using, I'm told,
the nodave library)
For the record, libnodave works wonderfully with fpc.
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On 2013-07-15 17:40, Ludo Brands wrote:
Throw anything at it and MySQL will swallow. Your data are in good hands ;)
OK, I changed my mind about MySQL I'll not touch it with a 50 foot pole!
That database server (I cringed calling it that) is an absolute joke.
Please do all developers a
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Ludo Brands ludo.bra...@free.fr wrote:
Need other default (mis)behaviors for MySQL?
-insert 123test in an integer field: no error, it inserts 123
-insert 123test in a datetime field: no error, it inserts -00-00
00:00:00
-insert 123 in a datetime field: no
Elsewhere, somebody's posted this:
But we already own Delphi XE2. My understanding is that Lazarus is
still clunky compared with Delf at basic IDE-and-forms stuff; Lazarus
doesn't support key familiar libraries that we rely on to slap together
the basic elements (Jedi, Virtual Treeview, cough
to many DBMS, MySQL is one of them.
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On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:38:39PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Elsewhere, somebody's posted this:
But we already own Delphi XE2. My understanding is that Lazarus is
still clunky compared with Delf at basic IDE-and-forms stuff; Lazarus
doesn't support key familiar libraries that we rely
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Elsewhere, somebody's posted this:
But we already own Delphi XE2. My understanding is that Lazarus is still
clunky compared with Delf at basic IDE-and-forms stuff; Lazarus doesn't
support key familiar libraries that we rely on to slap together
On 13-7-2013 2:38, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Elsewhere, somebody's posted this:
But we already own Delphi XE2. My understanding is that Lazarus is
still clunky compared with Delf at basic IDE-and-forms stuff; Lazarus
doesn't support key familiar libraries that we rely on to slap together
the
leledumbo wrote:
The whole JEDI sucks, dependencies hell everywhere and IS TIED TO WINDOWS!
Some of the components have been converted though.
Virtual Treeview is available for Lazarus.
Quickreport is not needed because we have LazReport, more over, FastReport
is also Lazarus compatible.
Lazarus
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
leledumbo wrote:
The whole JEDI sucks, dependencies hell everywhere and IS TIED TO WINDOWS!
Some of the components have been converted though.
Virtual Treeview is available for Lazarus.
Quickreport is not needed because we have LazReport, more
Marco van de Voort wrote:
With a bit of good will, a lot can be done. But don't try to convince people
that don't have a strong motivation (like a desire to be multiplatform). It
is usually a waste of time, and it only forces their defenses up.
Thanks, list passed on. Knowing the person
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