Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-20 Thread Chris Kirkpatrick
Mattias Gärtner wrote: I added the popup menu item. Mattias This is lovely, but we have lost all the Cut, Copy and Paste options from the popup menu in the descr box. Regards - Chris -- ___ Lazarus mailing list

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-17 Thread Mattias Gärtner
Zitat von Graeme Geldenhuys grae...@opensoft.homeip.net: Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Mattias Gaertnernc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: What about the fpdoc editor? Never used it, I'll try next time I edit help files The internal fpdoc editor is

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-17 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Mattias Gärtner wrote: One thing the internal fpdoc editor editor cannot do is document a unit description. Make a proposal. Here is an example. The tiTokenLibrary.pas unit documentation. You cannot edit this with lazde or the internal fpdoc editor. I have to manually edit this is the

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-17 Thread Mattias Gärtner
Zitat von Graeme Geldenhuys grae...@opensoft.homeip.net: Mattias Gärtner wrote: One thing the internal fpdoc editor editor cannot do is document a unit description. Make a proposal. Here is an example.[...] == module name=tiTokenLibrary shortString

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-17 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: First of all: Take a look in the wiki log and you will see that every day things are updated or added. That's no excuse for the absence of a compact general documentation or help on all classes, properties and methods. The interfaces don't change so often, or cannot

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Should we say: Learn Delphi first, then come back here? :) That's the current state. Without the Delphi documentation and OH every newcomer to Lazarus is definitely lost :-( That would be a guideline if it worked. But the problem is, that you cannot rely on the Delphi documentation when using

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Help should at least be available in a offline format. I often work at home in a offline state and I am sure I am not the only one that doesn't have a always on internet connection. That's true. But the first step should be to have a usable help at all. If that's available it should not be

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2009/8/16 Jürgen Hestermann juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de: forum if in doubt. That's not a satisfiable situation but as long as noone hast the time (and knowledge) to update the Lazarus help it seems unavoidable. Not to mention the major problem with Lazarus IDE help. It's only in wiki form, and

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Paul Ishenin
Jürgen Hestermann wrote: That's true. But the first step should be to have a usable help at all. If that's available it should not be too hard to compile it for offline use somehow. Can you help Chris Kirkpatrick to improve it? Best regards, Paul Ishenin. --

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:34:21 +0200 Jürgen Hestermann juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de wrote: Should we say: Learn Delphi first, then come back here? :) That's the current state. Without the Delphi documentation and OH every newcomer to Lazarus is definitely lost :-( That would be a guideline if

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
That's true. But the first step should be to have a usable help at all. If that's available it should not be too hard to compile it for offline use somehow. Can you help Chris Kirkpatrick to improve it? I would like to but I need the help myself first ;-) How could I document what I don't

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:41:54 +0200 Jürgen Hestermann juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de wrote: That's true. But the first step should be to have a usable help at all. If that's available it should not be too hard to compile it for offline use somehow. Can you help Chris Kirkpatrick to improve it?

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
I usually edit the xml files by hand, because lazde does some changes in the xml which make it hard to see in the diff what I actually modified. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Chris Kirkpatrick
Mattias Gaertner wrote: What about the fpdoc editor? Mattias This thread seems to have changed into one that discusses the provision of Help for Lazarus, so I'm going to start a new thread. I am currently trying systematically to produce documentation for all the classes in the LCL,

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-16 Thread Lord Satan
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:50:47 +0200 Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com wrote: That's no excuse for the absence of a compact general documentation or help on all classes, properties and methods. snip All contributions should be verified, by people with according knowledge, i.e. the

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Paul Ishenin wrote: See attached screenshot. Lazarus is not a tool for any user - it is a tool only for programmers. Just because there is an inner technical reason for something, does not mean that needs to be reflected in the user interface. As an ex-delphi programmer you should know a

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Does anybody else excluding Paul know what negative fonts sizes mean? I would like to know that too. I also don't have any idea what negative font sizes could mean. Ok, that could be due to the fact that I havened used Delphi heavily and I am just beginning with Lazarus. But even using help

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Marc Weustink
Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Does anybody else excluding Paul know what negative fonts sizes mean? I would like to know that too. I also don't have any idea what negative font sizes could mean. Ok, that could be due to the fact that I havened used Delphi heavily and I am just beginning with

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Does anybody else excluding Paul know what negative fonts sizes mean? I admit a little explenation would help since it is not so trivial. A positive fontsize is the size of a font in points A negative fontsize is the size of a font in points including the internal leading at the top of the

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Marc Weustink
Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Does anybody else excluding Paul know what negative fonts sizes mean? I admit a little explenation would help since it is not so trivial. A positive fontsize is the size of a font in points A negative fontsize is the size of a font in points including the internal

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Marc Weustink wrote: I admit a little explenation would help since it is not so trivial. Thanks for the explanation - definitely not a general knowledge thing. Searching in Google I found no mention of this in any other GUI toolkits or IDE's - so I gather this is a Delphi VCL specific

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Vincent Snijders wrote: Google found for me http://support.microsoft.com/kb/32667 It is not Delphi specific, but has windows roots. I still don't know how they got to negative font height idea. The Xlib and Xft font metrics documentation,

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
- Setting size selects the point size of the font, no matter what the DPI is. - Setting height sets the pixel size of the font, and then the correct point size is calculated (using DPI) so the height is reached. So it does work the following way: 2.) If I use positive values, it's just the

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Martin
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Am I missing something ? Yes, why is it an option in the first place? No other application asks the user for the Font Size or Font Height. If the one can be calculated from the other,

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:56:47 +0400 Sergei Gorelkin sergei_gorel...@mail.ru wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote: User, yes. programmer: no. As I understood it, the difference is as follows: - Setting size selects the point size of the font, no matter what the DPI is. - Setting height

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread theo
I think it should be like this in Delphi: Since size and height change the same value with a slightly different meaning (PPI) whichever value was set, the other one is rounded and gets a negative value. If you set size you should get a negative height and vice versa. --

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
dmitry boyarintsev schrieb: What about newcomers? Should we say: Learn Delphi first, then come back here? :) That's the current state. Without the Delphi documentation and OH every newcomer to Lazarus is definitely lost :-( Lazarus has been breaking Delphi backward-compatibility for a

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Does anybody else excluding Paul know what negative fonts sizes mean? Please answer, I would like to know if I missed something major in my 15+ years of working as a developer. AFAIR the positive and negative values reflect the inclusion and exclusion of the

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:34:32 +0200 Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com wrote: dmitry boyarintsev schrieb: What about newcomers? Should we say: Learn Delphi first, then come back here? :) That's the current state. Without the Delphi documentation and OH every newcomer to Lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus has unique font sizes

2009-08-15 Thread Sergei Gorelkin
Mattias Gaertner wrote: Please create a bug report. Done: http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=14357 Sergei -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus