Re: [Leaf-devel] Kernel 2.4.x

2001-04-07 Thread George Metz
On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, George Metz wrote: > Okay, as I type, kernel 2.4.x is compiling. I'm simply put too worn out to > put this up tonight, and I don't think I'll be awake when the compile > finishes. But I finally found what was causing the compiles to crash - > Experimental code for one of the W

Re: [Leaf-devel] macunix

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
well, http://www.mac.linux-m68k.org is probably a better fit for David -- ain't nothing running on a Mac Plus except what it came with. I think PalmOS might be a good fit, but the HCI issues would bite :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote

[Leaf-devel] Kernel 2.4.x

2001-04-07 Thread George Metz
Okay, as I type, kernel 2.4.x is compiling. I'm simply put too worn out to put this up tonight, and I don't think I'll be awake when the compile finishes. But I finally found what was causing the compiles to crash - Experimental code for one of the WAN Drivers - and have taken care of that. I'm g

Re: [Leaf-devel] Languages

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
thanks for the tip! I'll be looking into some more training/cert stuff in the next month, so hopefully this will fold in well. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Ray Olszewski wrote: > Jack -- You might look for better instructors (or better self-paced te

Re: [Leaf-devel] Oxygen CDROM Developments

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
my god, how do you do it? I'd ask the usual question, except I don't sleep much any more and I still can't keep up :-) I strongly agree with chucking the syslinux parameters in favor of a config file -- ideally a single config file that handles anything dsitribution-specific (as opposed to config

Re: [OT] Re: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM

2001-04-07 Thread George Metz
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jack Coates wrote: > I prefer radiocasts, which is fine since they transmit well over the > internet -- majorleagebaseball.com and soon to be non-free. Yes, which irked me for a while, until I realized that they're doing time-coordinated popup stats for the games as they go.

Re: [Leaf-devel] Languages

2001-04-07 Thread jdnewmil
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jack Coates wrote: > Every time I've tried to learn C or C++ the instructor or author lays > out all the basics of the language and I do fine. We do a few example > programs like helloworld.c and add/subtract calculators, and I do fine. > Then the excersises jump into geometry

[Leaf-devel] Badly OT - TiVo

2001-04-07 Thread Kenneth Hadley
Seriously off topic so I beg forgiveness =) Has any played with the GPL TiVo tools that they've made available? http://www.tivo.com/linux/index.html Just curious because according to them its the PowerPC kernel so id be curious to see if the patches they made will work on the i386 kernel branch ;

RE: [Leaf-devel] apkg et al

2001-04-07 Thread Morgan Reed
Jack et al: Macs require a PROM to boot from, but they don't require that you have the mac OS installed. If you are using a "oldworld" mac, you can use either bootx or yaboot (a lilo clone for macs) which will boot right from startup. New world macs use yaboot only now. I ran my mac 7500 as a Li

Re: [Leaf-devel] apkg et al

2001-04-07 Thread Mike Noyes
Jack Coates, 2001-04-07 12:23 -0700 >Macs definitely require a Mac PROM to boot from -- I've got a Mac Plus >I've been eyeballing with exactly those thoughts and so did some >research... Probably best thing to do with it is a terminal, but the >cost justification is a little tough from a power per

Re: [Leaf-devel] Languages

2001-04-07 Thread Ray Olszewski
At 12:14 PM 4/7/01 -0700, Jack Coates wrote: >Every time I've tried to learn C or C++ the instructor or author lays >out all the basics of the language and I do fine. We do a few example >programs like helloworld.c and add/subtract calculators, and I do fine. >Then the excersises jump into geometr

Re: [Leaf-devel] apkg et al

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
Macs definitely require a Mac PROM to boot from -- I've got a Mac Plus I've been eyeballing with exactly those thoughts and so did some research... Probably best thing to do with it is a terminal, but the cost justification is a little tough from a power perspective these days. In fact my next har

Re: [OT] Re: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
I prefer radiocasts, which is fine since they transmit well over the internet -- majorleagebaseball.com and soon to be non-free. Go Giants! -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, George Metz wrote: > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Scott C. Best wrote: > > > Goerge: > >

Re: [Leaf-devel] Languages

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
Every time I've tried to learn C or C++ the instructor or author lays out all the basics of the language and I do fine. We do a few example programs like helloworld.c and add/subtract calculators, and I do fine. Then the excersises jump into geometry or calculus problems, because of course anyone

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread George Metz
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > This is pretty much the direction I plan to go to make my CD/HDD/floppy-boot > stuff more flexible (it's nice not to have multiple versions of everything > to maintain!). Also, a very thin 'bootstrap' initrd that 99% of the users > would never ha

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread George Metz
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Ewald Wasscher wrote: > > Please, someone who's monkeyed with the default 2.9.8 Linuxrc script, > > doublecheck me on that. > > I wouldn't swear on it, but I think this is accurate. Close enough for government work. > This could be a nice way of loading the bulk of leaf from

[Leaf-devel] rcf project affiliation?

2001-04-07 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, Should we try to affiliate our project with the rcf project? We are already affiliated with the Seattle Firewall project. As long as Tom Eastep agrees, I think this is a good idea. Opinions, comments? Tom, Do you have any objections to this? Jean-Sebastien Morisset, 2001-04-06 12:05

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread Mike Noyes
Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-04-07 09:10 -0500 >Check out my latest hard-disk HOWTO. In the section on running 2.9.8 off >a hard-disk, I have an updated linuxrc that loads modules at boot-time >(useful for gaining access to CD-ROMs or HDD's without a kernel re- >compile). Also, I re-worked the ord

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> > No. A new patch would be required, or the root archive would > > need to be in gzip instead of bzip2 format; but much/most of > > the root stuff might be able to be moved into a root2 package > > that is bzipped... > > (Clears throat, steps forward) > > ACTUALLY, David and I had a long discuss

RE: [Leaf-devel] Functional Admin -kudos

2001-04-07 Thread Mike Noyes
Jack Coates, 2001-04-06 21:13 -0700 >Looks like I'm late to the party (man, it's been a long, long week) but >I have to agree: Mike's done a fabulous and professional job of project >management. Jack, Thanks for the complement. :-) Everyone, I didn't expect my comment to generate any traffic. I

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread Ewald Wasscher
George Metz wrote: > > This is based on the boot sequence in initrd archive, to the point of > loading packages, as follows: > > 1. Creates links to busybox for ln, cat, and mkdir. > 2. Creates the base directory structure with the above. > 3. Creates busybox and POSIXness links. > 4. Makes t

Re: [Leaf-devel] German LRP Faq

2001-04-07 Thread Mike Noyes
Jack Coates, 2001-04-06 21:18 -0700 >use whatever you need, by all means. Note that this permission only >applies to things I wrote :-) Jack, May I publish your howtos on our phpWS in the section link below? If so, do you want a admin/author account for phpWS? This would allow you to update the

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread Ewald Wasscher
David Douthitt wrote: > > bzip2 is supposed to be pretty good; why not use root.tgz and all the > rest are *.bgz or whatever the standard is but then, there > probably isn't any. The zip code for root.tgz is contained within the > kernel, so you could actually remove gzip and use bzip2. Th

Re: [Leaf-devel] Compiling iptables with glibc-2.0.7 (George Metz?)

2001-04-07 Thread Ewald Wasscher
Arne Bernin wrote > > Well i compiled this iptables with a libc-2.0.7. I have the source laying > around somewhere, but i remember i had some problems with the ipv6 support, > and had to comment some stuff in the Makefiles... My knowledge of c and makefiles is for certain a lot worse than David

RE: [Leaf-devel] Functional Admin -kudos

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
Looks like I'm late to the party (man, it's been a long, long week) but I have to agree: Mike's done a fabulous and professional job of project management. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Steven Peck wrote: > I have to go with David here and I think it

[Leaf-devel] Packages

2001-04-07 Thread George Metz
Food for thought for the underconvinced. I took my current router disk image, copied all the .lrp files to a temp directory and renamed them to .tgz, then gunzip'd them and recompressed them with bzip2. bootbeep.tgz etc.tgzlog.tgz oidentd.tgz root.tgz weblet.tgz dnscache.tgz local.tg

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread George Metz
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No. A new patch would be required, or the root archive would > need to be in gzip instead of bzip2 format; but much/most of > the root stuff might be able to be moved into a root2 package > that is bzipped... (Clears throat, steps forward) ACTUALLY,

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
I expand the lrp's as a regular user to avoid that. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Scott C. Best wrote: > > Actually I like .lrp as well, though my complaint > with it is different. I find it difficult to extract files > from a .lrp without poten

Re: [Leaf-devel] German LRP Faq

2001-04-07 Thread Jack Coates
use whatever you need, by all means. Note that this permission only applies to things I wrote :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Eric Wolzak wrote: > Hello all, especially Mike, charles,Ray, Steven, Jack, Rick, and all > others that provided Documentat

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > I'm surprised no one is understanding this complaint; I think I > understand it perfectly. It has occurred to me also. Some good points are made below, but the temporary copy still seems unnecessary. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Thu, 5 Apr

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread David Douthitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 06:29:16AM -0500, David Douthitt scribbled: > > My understanding is that tar takes your pathname as specified when you > > pack. For example, > > > > tar cvf file.tar . > > ...creates files with names like "./myfile1" "./myfile2" etc. > > > >

[Leaf-devel] Oxygen CDROM Developments

2001-04-07 Thread David Douthitt
The CDROM is pretty cleaned up and almost ready. I'm currently testing a floppy-disk representative of the CDROM boot image, and am having problems with network loading. I hope to get this fixed, then test the loading of packages from CDROM, then burn and release. I had hoped to be able to use

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread David Douthitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 08:40:43PM +0200, Ewald Wasscher scribbled: > > That's a good point. I quite often open on windows machines using > > winzip, and having to rename the file to package.tgz is a bit inconvenient. > > Well, either go into winzip and go file->ope

Re: [Leaf-devel] leaf-user question

2001-04-07 Thread David Douthitt
Ewald Wasscher wrote: > > David Douthitt wrote: > > > Mike Noyes wrote: > > Newer versions of busybox and of mount will provide only a warning, > > then mount the read-only file system where it was requested by the > > user. > > The busybox in Eigerstein2Beta is version 0.28 IIRC, and I suppos

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread David Douthitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:19:01PM -0500, David Douthitt scribbled: > > It is COMMON and well-understood and used by EVERYONE. Every serious > > unpacker for the Windows/DOS/BeOS/UNIX. platform will understand a > > *.tgz file... > > Agreed. That's the advantag