Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-15 Thread Doug Hite
>> It maybe interesting to know that aol installs a special ``adapter'' >> that is purported to behave similarly to an hardware nic. In fact, on >> win9x, at least, it is next to the nic in network neighborhood >> properties and is near identically configured. >from Charles Steinkuehler > >As me

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread guitarlynn
> I'm not that familiar with the MS networking stack, and how > windows systems handle routing, forwarding, etc. With the Win9x/ME family, the stack is all proxy...ISC or some other proxy. > As mentioned elsewhere, apparently the AOL traffic is creating a > tunnel through your firewall for it'

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> It maybe interesting to know that aol installs a special ``adapter'' > that is purported to behave similarly to an hardware nic. In fact, on > win9x, at least, it is next to the nic in network neighborhood > properties and is near identically configured. As mentioned in other replies, and stre

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Mike Noyes wrote: > > At 2002-03-09 14:01 -0600, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > >Also, since I do not know everything there is to know about networks > >and quantifying everything quantifiable about same, regarding your > >sniffer questions, can you describe a simple, open source process to > >acco

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Mike Noyes
At 2002-03-09 14:01 -0600, Michael D. Schleif wrote: >Also, since I do not know everything there is to know about networks >and quantifying everything quantifiable about same, regarding your >sniffer questions, can you describe a simple, open source process to >accomplish these tasks? Michael, Th

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Michael D. Schleif
guitarlynn wrote: > > I don't know if this will approach the problem being asked to > help much, but I did reverse engineer the AOL software > many years ago to connect with Linux. > > You can only connect to AOL via a special proxy adapter > that is integrated with their software. The martian

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread guitarlynn
I don't know if this will approach the problem being asked to help much, but I did reverse engineer the AOL software many years ago to connect with Linux. You can only connect to AOL via a special proxy adapter that is integrated with their software. The martian errors are due to the built in

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Ray Olszewski
A selective reply ... At 02:01 PM 3/9/02 -0600, Michael D. Schleif wrote: [...] >> The difference is that holes caused by dialout workstations are old news, >> and there is really no way to address this problem at the firewall (except >> by blocking traffic routed through it with the martians rul

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Bruce E. (Sam) Slade
Ray Olszewski wrote: > > This would probably be a good topic to explore further, either here or on > the -devel list, and that is why I am bothering to reply at all. It is (or > may be) a concrete, and potentially widespread, instance of a general > problem with firewalling ... what is the differ

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Thank you. Although, I can be pretty daft on occasion, I am trying to ``do the right thing.'' It is not always easy knowing what that maybe in a variety of contexts. For me, from my humble experience, when I do not know something, it works best to try to summarize what it is that I know, espec

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Ray Olszewski
Michael -- It is unlikely that there is a lot of AOL expertise here on this list (others, please correct me if I am wrong), so the most valuable information to provide here would be a better description of what "users logging into AOL over our high speed internet connections" means ... particularl

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ??? [LONG!]

2002-03-09 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Jeff Newmiller wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > > > Jeff Newmiller wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > > > > > > > We are seeing martians on internal networks on a regular basis. > > > > > > > > Usually, it is traceable to users logging i

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-09 Thread Michael D. Schleif
I am sorry for offending everyone. I will proffer no excuses. I was in one of my bullheaded moods and acted inappropriately. Again, I am sorry. Is it possible to ask a generic question? In general, is it possible to answer my original questions? Since I don't see this as a setup question --

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ??? [LONG!]

2002-03-09 Thread Matt Schalit
Michael D. Schleif wrote: > Jeff Newmiller wrote: Jeff I'm sorry you ended up with that reply. Please don't take it home with you, so to speak. We highly value your contributions to LEAF, and we appreciate your willingness to help Michael. >>On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Michael D. Schleif wrote: >>

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ??? [LONG!]

2002-03-09 Thread Jeff Newmiller
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > > Jeff Newmiller wrote: > > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > > > > > We are seeing martians on internal networks on a regular basis. > > > > > > Usually, it is traceable to users logging into AOL over our high speed > > > inter

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ??? [LONG!]

2002-03-08 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Jeff Newmiller wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > > > We are seeing martians on internal networks on a regular basis. > > > > Usually, it is traceable to users logging into AOL over our high speed > > internet connections: > > > > 172.128.0.0 - 172.191.255.255 > >

Re: [Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-08 Thread Jeff Newmiller
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > > We are seeing martians on internal networks on a regular basis. > > Usually, it is traceable to users logging into AOL over our high speed > internet connections: > > 172.128.0.0 - 172.191.255.255 > > Today, we saw one from United Airlin

[Leaf-user] martians on internal network ???

2002-03-08 Thread Michael D. Schleif
We are seeing martians on internal networks on a regular basis. Usually, it is traceable to users logging into AOL over our high speed internet connections: 172.128.0.0 - 172.191.255.255 Today, we saw one from United Airlines: 205.174.16.0 - 205.174.23.255 [1] How does this h