Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 51, Issue 23

2011-02-08 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Gerard Ashton said: A secular change to civil time that would be perceptible without the aid of a clock has never been introduced, How about those places that moved timezone permanently. Actually, without a clock, how would you *ever* know that civil time had changed? -- Clive D.W. Feather

Re: [LEAPSECS] Consensus building?

2011-02-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
in exactly this form. See table 6, page 32, of: http://www.bipm.org/utils/common/pdf/si_brochure_8_en.pdf This, of course, implies that SI-based- is the same as TAI-. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http

Re: [LEAPSECS] Meeting with Wayne Whyte

2011-02-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Standard (and, again by reference, Posix) to only allow 61 seconds per minute at most. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646

Re: [LEAPSECS] Tinkering with stuff until it becomes too complex to understand

2011-02-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
that the model actually comes close to reality ... We did it with the concept of money. ... or, in the case of an invented concept like money, the model was improved so as to be more useful (banking and electronic money supports a more efficient economy than barter). -- Clive D.W. Feather

Re: [LEAPSECS] Looking-glass, through

2011-01-12 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
for this year for many places. It's almost impossible to determine it for (say) 200 years ago for almost anywhere. This is *nothing* to do with what the underlying time scale is. Tony has it right: you have things completely backwards. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler

Re: [LEAPSECS] Focus in the debate, alternative proposal

2011-01-07 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646 ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http

Re: [LEAPSECS] Focus in the debate, alternative proposal

2011-01-07 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
. In Israel the forward shift occurs at 2am on a Friday. Iraq and Jordan make the changes on Friday, while Egypt moves forward on Fridays and back on Thursdays, in both cases at midnight. Chile changes on Saturdays. Etc. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org

Re: [LEAPSECS] How you know you're having an effect (was Re: ...)

2010-12-31 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646 ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net

Re: [LEAPSECS] Bob Nelson

2010-12-31 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Australian), justification is a defence. Truth is often, but not always, justification. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-22 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
. UT), *NOT* UTC. Checking, I see that MSF transmits UTC but also encodes DUT1, so you can derive UK legal time by looking at bits 01B to 16B and *58B. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org

Re: [LEAPSECS] An example

2010-11-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
and Manner as is now used with | respect to every fourth Year of our Lord. or in those countries conforming to Inter Gravissimas: | idemque ordo intermittendi intercalandique bissextum diem in | quadringentis quibusque annis perpetuo conservetur. It's a leap year. -- Clive D.W. Feather

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
. The first use of leap days I'm aware of was around 46 BCE. Before that the standard approach was leap months of between 20 and 30 days. We went from random local timescales to UT[C] with 24 standardized timezones. 24? -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl

Re: [LEAPSECS] An example

2010-11-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
years hence! Actually, 24 Geo.2 c.23 includes a table that applies up to 8599 A.D. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646

Re: [LEAPSECS] UTC Redefinition Advanced

2010-11-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646 ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net

Re: [LEAPSECS] UTC Redefinition Advanced

2010-11-02 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
and official clock time were about 7800 seconds apart. It was quite curious being near the tropics and yet at 08:30 the sky was still dark. Yet the residents seem to cope quite happily without their world coming to an end. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl

Re: [LEAPSECS] An example

2010-11-02 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Finkleman, Dave said: My colleague, Sal Alfano, included in distribution observes with relevance that the state of Indiana in the U.S., legislated that Pi=3 No, they didn't. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web

Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 45, Issue 1

2010-09-06 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
is why 1751, not 1752, was the shortest year). -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646 ___ LEAPSECS

Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 45, Issue 1

2010-09-06 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
, certain specific courts, common land openings and closings, due dates of payments, birthdays, -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646

Re: [LEAPSECS] Yet another time scale

2010-08-11 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
through Antarctica. Silly me. There's an implied and no other countries in there. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646

Re: [LEAPSECS] ITU-R SG7 to consider UTC on October 4

2010-08-06 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
of this Directive. So no, clocks in Denmark would be firmly in lockstep with clocks in the rest of the EU. Except for the difference between those clocks in states following GMT and those in states following UTC. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org

Re: [LEAPSECS] it's WP7A week in Geneva

2009-10-04 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
of 1 or even 5 seconds (but not 30) is far more useful than no data. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646

Re: [LEAPSECS] A new use for Pre-1972 UTC

2009-02-17 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Poul-Henning Kamp said: It would have been even better to write: An ISO C time_t timestamp. ISO C doesn't define the type, format, or meaning of time_t - it can even be floating point or (IIRC) a structure. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, cl...@davros.org

Re: [LEAPSECS] A new use for Pre-1972 UTC

2009-02-17 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
. But what would matter is that time_t on my machine and yours might be completely different. On yours it might be a floating point version of the POSIX value, while on mine it might be Julian date, using fractions to represent the time of day. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie

Re: [LEAPSECS] Reliability

2009-01-07 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
of the month on one side of the line or just after noon on the last day of the preceding month on the other side. Except New Zealand is, I believe, in zone +13 at this time of year. So it was 12:59:60 on 1 January. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, cl...@davros.org

Re: [LEAPSECS] The relation between calendars and leap seconds.

2008-11-12 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax:+44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS - a Cable and Wireless business

Re: [LEAPSECS] The relation between calendars and leap seconds.

2008-11-12 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
John Cowan said: Clive D.W. Feather scripsit: I don't think that R. v Haddock on the meaning of general purposes is settled law in the UK, Doubtless not. But, if you will, remind us just which piece of jolly ligitation that was? There were so many of them Drinking is not a general

Re: [LEAPSECS] princes

2008-11-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
it minimized the risk of religious riots and/or pogroms. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax:+44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS - a Cable

Re: [LEAPSECS] but what does Daniel Gambis say?B

2008-08-28 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
polynomial to some data without looking at the results (electrical efficiency was swinging between -300% and +400%). -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax:+44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW

Re: [LEAPSECS] operational time -- What's in a name?

2008-03-31 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
about 6 hours before. But MSF reports UTC, not civil time (GMT). -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax:+44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646

Re: [LEAPSECS] operational time -- What's in a name?

2008-03-31 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
is in the same time zone). -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax:+44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc

Re: [LEAPSECS] Happy Birthday Pluto!

2008-02-20 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Brian Garrett said: No crappie. We're starting to flounder here and it's giving me a haddock. You're trying to bait us just for the halibut, and we're not gonna hake it. Rather than casting any more barbs, cod we please return this discussion to its proper plaice? -- Clive D.W. Feather

Re: [LEAPSECS] How good could civil timekeeping be?

2008-02-15 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Rob Seaman said: After all, Princeton is in New Jersey and Watson and Crick reverse engineered DNA (three billion years of design by the ultimate committee) over bitters at the Eagle in Cambridge. A much over-rated pub, in my opinion. There are better places on King Street. -- Clive D.W

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
FI SV) 6 using universal time (ES DE FR IT NL PT) 1 using universal time (GMT) (PL) 2 using UTC (DA SL) -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax:+44 870 051 9937

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
exactly the same (except for the GMT/UT/UTC question). -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax:+44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
covering the definition of time. Perhaps I should talk to one of my Commission contacts. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax:+44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
with it. Not so, since the Swedish government have accepted the Directive. However, there isn't a problem: Sweden switches from UTC+1 to UTC+2 at 01:00:00 GMT (which is somewhere between 01:59:59 and 02:01:01 local time). -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel:+44 20 8495 6138

Re: [LEAPSECS] nails in the coffin of mean solar time

2007-06-15 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
-synchronized) NTP and funding atomic clocks located at the LINX. Nitpick: the government didn't fund anything - it was all paid for out of private money. [I speak as a director of LINX at the time.] They did support it, though. Googling for Greenwich Electronic Time will tell more. -- Clive D.W

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