Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2010-12-23 04:14, Anthony wrote: I guess... Isn't Bing supposed to be coming out with a more clear license? This would be one point for them to clarify. Good point. I think the discussion here on the mail list is not leading to a clear license because we all are just interpreting and gues

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Andreas Perstinger wrote: > On 2010-12-22 01:24, Anthony wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm >>  wrote: >>> >>> This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops >>> publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > That's another area wide open to discussion; my interpretation of "I > consider my contributions PD" has always been: "I don't claim any rights in > what I contribute." - not: "I vouch for nobody holding any rights in what I > contribute." (

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ian Sergeant wrote: So, the question is, when MegaMap adopt OSM maps, which are generated from Bing traces, what will Microsoft think then? Do they really understand what allowing contributions to OSM means? This leads us to the terrain of who determines what megacorps "think" or "unders

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 22 December 2010 15:18, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: > Anthony wrote: >> > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm >> wrote: >> >> This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM >> stops >> >> publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the world, forever, >> under

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Ian Sergeant
frede...@remote.org wrote: > I am sure that Microsoft > has allowed data to be traced for OSM; I don't believe it is their > intent to allow tracing of data for other purposes So, the question is, when MegaMap adopt OSM maps, which are generated from Bing traces, what will Microsoft think then?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2010-12-22 01:24, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the world, forever, under CC-BY-SA. But a hypothetical CC-BY-SA fork would not be a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 December 2010 00:42, Anthony wrote: > This interpretation (or at least, the acceptance of it as something > OSM would want to do) is truly evil. I only wonder how widespread it > is among OSM contributors. I hope in good faith that it is held by > very few. After turning the vote of OSM-F

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-22 Thread Anthony
>> > I certainly didn't read it that way.  The Bing license says you must >> > contribute traced data to openstreetmaps.org, but it doesn't say you >> > can't also contribute traced data to a fork. > After it has been contributed to openstreetmap.org, one can get it from > openstreetmap.org(dump m

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-22 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Anthony wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm > wrote: > >> This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM > stops > >> publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the world, forever, > under > >> CC-BY-SA. But a hypothetical CC-BY-SA fork would not be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at theBing TermsofUse?

2010-12-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I believe you could also do other things with traced data but that would > then be subject to the normal license, not the special license they granted > to OpenStreetMap. And how do believe they achieve that? Through copyright law? Through