On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Andreas Perstinger <andreas.perstin...@gmx.net> wrote: > On 2010-12-22 01:24, Anthony wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Frederik Ramm<frede...@remote.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> This rule means that everything that is traced from Bing before OSM stops >>> publishing under CC-BY-SA will be available to the world, forever, under >>> CC-BY-SA. But a hypothetical CC-BY-SA fork would not be allowed to accept >>> newly traced data after the license change. >> >> I certainly didn't read it that way. The Bing license says you must >> contribute traced data to openstreetmaps.org, but it doesn't say you >> can't also contribute traced data to a fork. > > Of course you can, but at your own risk - although I'm with you that it's > very small. But as long as there is no court rule nobody knows for sure :-).
I guess... Isn't Bing supposed to be coming out with a more clear license? This would be one point for them to clarify. > Bing explicitly says it's ok for contributing to OSM. I'd say it's implicit, rather than explicit. They say you must contribute the data to OSM, which implies that they give you permission to do so. I guess the license doesn't explicitly state whether or not others are then allowed to modify or redistribute that contributed data, be they forks, or mirrors, or Bing competitors, or otherwise. But Frederik's comment (which I guess he has now withdrawn since he says he doesn't want to think about it) is the first suggestion I've heard that maybe we aren't. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Anthony, > > Anthony wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> I believe you could also do other things with traced data but that would >>> then be subject to the normal license, not the special license they >>> granted >>> to OpenStreetMap. >> >> And how do believe they achieve that? Through copyright law? Through >> contract law? Through some other mechanism? > > Frankly, I don't care, and since I do not intend to get actively involved in > any fork, I'll not waste my time thinking about what *they* will be allowed > to do. That's perfectly fine, but if you don't care to think about it, don't make statements about what "a hypothetical CC-BY-SA fork would not be allowed" to do. > Anyway, the community in that fork can set their own bounds of what they > consider acceptable. They can even trace from Google and build on the > assumption that nobody will come after them. I am sure that Microsoft has > allowed data to be traced for OSM; I don't believe it is their intent to > allow tracing of data for other purposes but (a) I may be wrong, (b) someone > could always say that their intent doesn't matter anyway. It isn't relevant > to me, or to OSM. If you don't consider it relevant to you, that's perfectly fine with me. But how people are allowed to reuse data that they contribute to OSM certainly is relevant to OSM. OSM stands for *Open* Street Map. _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
