[OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, in a recent discussion on the German OSM Intertubes, we discussed whether ODbL would give a map producer the freedom to license his work under a noncommercial license. My take was "yes of course", because I always thought of "a map" as a produced work. (The background was that we ha

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-03 Thread John Smith
This is pretty much in line with Francis' claim about copyright being on maps, and copyright law not stating anything about the form the map comes in, but of course without court cases on the matter we're all left guessing. Next problem with the Garmin maps, suppose they use extracts from Geofabri

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm writes: >"If it was intended for the extraction of the original data, then it is >a database and not a Produced Work. Otherwise it is a Produced Work." > >I wonder if a Garmin map would really count as a database. The purpose >of the GMAPSUPP.IMG file is to display the map on the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/04/2010 12:17 PM, Ed Avis wrote: Frederik Ramm writes: "If it was intended for the extraction of the original data, then it is a database and not a Produced Work. Otherwise it is a Produced Work." I wonder if a Garmin map would really count as a database. The purpose of the GMAPSUPP.IMG

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 September 2010 21:38, Rob Myers wrote: > In either case they are produced works as they extract a small amount of > data from the database and add some new stuff in order to make something > intended to be used visually. What about a SVG file of a substantial part of the database, SVG files

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 09:49:18PM +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 4 September 2010 21:38, Rob Myers wrote: > > In either case they are produced works as they extract a small amount of > > data from the database and add some new stuff in order to make something > > intended to be used visually. > >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/04/2010 12:49 PM, John Smith wrote: On 4 September 2010 21:38, Rob Myers wrote: In either case they are produced works as they extract a small amount of data from the database and add some new stuff in order to make something intended to be used visually. What about a SVG file of a subs

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/04/2010 01:30 PM, Rob Myers wrote: On 09/04/2010 12:49 PM, John Smith wrote: On 4 September 2010 21:38, Rob Myers wrote: In either case they are produced works as they extract a small amount of data from the database and add some new stuff in order to make something intended to be used vi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread 80n
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > If you > render as a PNG, without additional metadata you are similarly going to > have difficulty reverse engineering it (admittedly more difficulty than > with vector graphics, which much more closely resemble the geodata). > The fact that you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 September 2010 00:00, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > I find it hard to imagine that *any* ODbL licensed data will ever get shared > back to OSM. If it is so difficult to share back data then I think that > will be a serious demotivator for many contributors. Unless the CTs change,or an exce

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: Ironically, for most people it is much easier to reverse engineer a .png than it would be to inport a dataset. It really depends on the situation. OSM has no concept of precision, so if I give you a list of 100 POIs on a 1024x2048 map of England, you simply wouldn't be able to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-05 Thread aighes
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-07 Thread James Livingston
On 04/09/2010, at 10:30 PM, Rob Myers wrote: > If it absolutely has to be one thing or the other I'd say it is a Produced > Work. Does it have to be though? I can't see anything in the ODbL that says Derived Database and Produced Work are mutually exclusive. A produced work is: "a work (such a