[OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-06 Thread Karel Charvat
Hallo, I would like to study structure of data used in various GPS navigations based on OSM. As raw OSM data are not suitable for routing, I suppse, each implementation in GPS navigation needs some changes in the data. I suppose these modified datasets can be called Derivative Database by the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-06 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/6/2015 11:01 AM, Karel Charvat wrote: Are the developers of Be-On-Road fullfilling their ODbl license obligations by providing their data only in files with unknown format? It depends. If they are not adding any data, they can simply point to the source (planet.osm.org). If they are addi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-06 Thread Karel Charvat
network based on OSM data contains much more road segments than original data set. -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Paul Norman Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Datum: 6. 1. 2015 20:42:06 Předmět: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data "O

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Simon Poole
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Karel Charvat
Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this. -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Simon Poole Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Datum: 7. 1. 2015 9:09:38 Předmět: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data "Please see

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Henning Hollburg
um 09:51 schrieb Karel Charvat: > Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this. > > -- Původní zpráva -- > Od: Simon Poole > Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > Datum: 7. 1. 2015 9:09:38 > Předmět: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Simon Poole
why? > > Best regards > > Henning > > > Am 07.01.2015 um 09:51 schrieb Karel Charvat: >> Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this. >> >> ------ Původní zpráva ------ >> Od: Simon Poole >> Komu: legal-talk@openstre

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Henning Hollburg
; > Am 07.01.2015 um 09:51 schrieb Karel Charvat: > >> Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this. > >> > >> -- Původní zpráva -- > >> Od: Simon Poole > >> Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > >> Datum:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-06 20:39 GMT+01:00 Paul Norman : > It depends. If they are not adding any data, they can simply point to the > source (planet.osm.org). > > If they are adding data, they need to provide the entire derivative > database (4.6.a) or an alteration file (4.6.b) with the new contents. Based > on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/07/2015 01:14 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > If the format is encrypted (or simply not documented) Sectin 3.1 of the license lists a number of rights, including "Extraction and Re-utilisation of the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents; Creation of Derivative Databases; Creatio

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hi, On 07.01.2015 16:30, Henning Hollburg wrote: http://stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why-openstreetmap-is-now-navigation-ready-for-people-like-you/ Doesn't this mean that this data has to be published according to the ODbL? If not, why? As having all those databases being released might be good

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/7/2015 7:21 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: We could start merging 3rd party ODbL into OSM We can do so right now from a legal perspective. In fact, there are imports of ODbL data that have taken place. But then have a hard time to fulfill attribution requirements. No - we'd attribute the same

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hi Paul, On 08.01.2015 10:31, Paul Norman wrote: On 1/7/2015 7:21 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: And an even harder time to get rid of the data in case of another license change in the future. See http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licenses_data_be_imported.3F. It works like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-08 Thread Tadeusz Knapik
Hi, 2015-01-08 4:44 GMT+01:00 Stephan Knauss : > For OSM it would be much more convenient when the license says "You are > allowed to use the OSM data, but when you change it you give OSM the right > to merge back your changes if they want to". > As far as I understand it, it works that way - if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-08 Thread Simon Poole
Am 07.01.2015 um 13:00 schrieb Henning Hollburg: > Let's say I have a great source of Floating Car Data (FCD). I'd like to > use this FCD to calculate precise weights for edges I derived from OSM. > These edges will be used in an online navigation application later on. The crux is the "later on"

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-08 Thread Karel Charvat
Karel -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Simon Poole Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Datum: 8. 1. 2015 12:43:10 Předmět: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data "Am 07.01.2015 um 13:00 schrieb Henning Hollburg: > Let's say I have a great sour