Re: status of bootscripts?

2005-12-22 Thread DJ Lucas
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: DJ Lucas wrote: A quick summary of changes: The ghost PIDs (and false already running messages) have been fixed; boot_mesg() has been greatly simplified without the text wraping; and logging was moved out of the standard scripts. There will still need more chang

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Archaic wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 08:14:18AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: It is not broken. Outdated but not broken. Not to beat a dead horse, because this isn't the focus of the thread, but having to unplug and replug in a USB device that is on at bootup sounds broken to

Re: status of bootscripts?

2005-12-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
DJ Lucas wrote: A quick summary of changes: The ghost PIDs (and false already running messages) have been fixed; boot_mesg() has been greatly simplified without the text wraping; and logging was moved out of the standard scripts. There will still need more changes when 2.6.15 and no hotplug

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Archaic
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 08:14:18AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > > > It is not broken. Outdated but not broken. Not to beat a dead horse, because this isn't the focus of the thread, but having to unplug and replug in a USB device that is on at bootup sounds broken to me. Apparently the eve

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Archaic wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 12:23:06PM -0700, Jeremy Herbison wrote: Now won't udev require headers for the new functionality? Seems the linux-libc-headers project is defunct at this point (he promised a 2.6.14 release by 3 weeks ago, and now he's just MIA). If a CVS pull m

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Archaic wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 11:21:41AM -0800, Jim Gifford wrote: Previously we have said no release versions of the kernel. I think we should stick with that policy. I'm assuming you meant pre-release versions. Generally I agree with that policy. However, my rationale for t

Re: status of bootscripts?

2005-12-22 Thread DJ Lucas
Archaic wrote: DJ, what is the current status of the bootscripts? I recall you changing something WRT the removing the PID of the script, but is there anything else in the works? If not, perhaps a pre-release could be generated so it receives more wide-spread testing. AFAIK, there are no outst

Re: Bash testsuite should not be run as root

2005-12-22 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Greg Schafer wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: 'su' from /tools. Neither CLFS nor LFS suppress this in the first build of coreutils. WARNING: insufficient access; not installing su NOTE: to install su, run 'make install-root' as root Sorry, you are right and I was wrong - so

Re: Bash testsuite should not be run as root

2005-12-22 Thread Greg Schafer
Ken Moffat wrote: > 'su' from /tools. Neither CLFS nor LFS suppress this in the first > build of coreutils. WARNING: insufficient access; not installing su NOTE: to install su, run 'make install-root' as root The temporary tools are (meant to be) built as non-root. Regards Greg -- http:/

Re: Bash testsuite should not be run as root

2005-12-22 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Greg Schafer wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:34:22 -0800, Jim Gifford wrote: I posted a solution in lfs-support. Here is it In my testing with Cross-LFS, I have found that this works echo "dummy1:x:1000:" >> /etc/group echo "dummy:x:1000:1000:::/bin/bash" >> /etc/passwd cd

Re: Bash testsuite should not be run as root

2005-12-22 Thread Greg Schafer
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:34:22 -0800, Jim Gifford wrote: > I posted a solution in lfs-support. Here is it > > In my testing with Cross-LFS, I have found that this works > > echo "dummy1:x:1000:" >> /etc/group > echo "dummy:x:1000:1000:::/bin/bash" >> /etc/passwd > cd tests > su dummy -c "sh run-al

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Jeremy Herbison wrote: > Now won't udev require headers for the new functionality? What new functionality? Possibly the new netlink socket stuff? udev-071 compiled just fine against l-l-h version 2.6.11.2 when I moved to it from -056 a few months back. Now, that's not the most recent version of

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Archaic
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 12:47:44PM -0700, Jeremy Herbison wrote: > > I just meant that linux-libc-headers is stuck at some sort of 2.6.14 pre- > release, and that someone will have to add the new 2.6.15 udev headers > manually. Don't bite! I didn't. :) Just pointing out that for the purpose of fi

RE: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Jeremy Herbison
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 12:23:06PM -0700, Jeremy Herbison wrote: > > > > Now won't udev require headers for the new functionality? Seems the > > linux-libc-headers project is defunct at this point (he promised a > 2.6.14 > > release by 3 weeks ago, and now he's just MIA). > > If a CVS pull must

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Archaic wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 12:23:06PM -0700, Jeremy Herbison wrote: > >>Now won't udev require headers for the new functionality? Seems the >>linux-libc-headers project is defunct at this point (he promised a 2.6.14 >>release by 3 weeks ago, and now he's just MIA). > > > If a CVS p

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Andrew Benton
Archaic wrote: 1) Hotplug/coldplug is currently broken in LFS. 2) There have been 6 release candidates so far. 3) Numerous security vulnerabilities in 2.6.12 If all we were doing was updating a kernel just because it was the latest, I'd say no. If all we were doing was updating a kernel to add s

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Jim Gifford
The only difference between the 2.6.14 and 2.6.12 headers in linux libc headers is they removed sound. -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] LFS User # 2577 Registered Linux User # 299986 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Archaic
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 12:23:06PM -0700, Jeremy Herbison wrote: > > Now won't udev require headers for the new functionality? Seems the > linux-libc-headers project is defunct at this point (he promised a 2.6.14 > release by 3 weeks ago, and now he's just MIA). If a CVS pull must be done, so be

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Archaic
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 11:21:41AM -0800, Jim Gifford wrote: > Previously we have said no release versions of the kernel. I think we > should stick with that policy. I'm assuming you meant pre-release versions. Generally I agree with that policy. However, my rationale for this proposal is as foll

RE: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Jeremy Herbison
> ISTM that since trunk is a dev branch, we should be able to get away > with a pre-release piece of software that is just around the corner of > being released. With that in mind, should we going ahead and add > 2.6.15-rc6 to the book and start fixing the hotplug/udev problems now so > it at least

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Jim Gifford
Previously we have said no release versions of the kernel. I think we should stick with that policy. -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] LFS User # 2577 Registered Linux User # 299986 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Un

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 12/22/05, Archaic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ISTM that since trunk is a dev branch, we should be able to get away > with a pre-release piece of software that is just around the corner of > being released. With that in mind, should we going ahead and add > 2.6.15-rc6 to the book and start fixin

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Archaic wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:07:45PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >>That seems like a reasonable proposal to me, but if you are asking for >>Matt's go-ahead, I believe he is away for the next week. > > > Yes, I'm aware of his absence. I was asking for community response. > There ar

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Archaic
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:07:45PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > That seems like a reasonable proposal to me, but if you are asking for > Matt's go-ahead, I believe he is away for the next week. Yes, I'm aware of his absence. I was asking for community response. There are a few of us who can do t

Re: adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Archaic wrote: > ISTM that since trunk is a dev branch, we should be able to get away > with a pre-release piece of software that is just around the corner of > being released. With that in mind, should we going ahead and add > 2.6.15-rc6 to the book and start fixing the hotplug/udev problems now s

status of bootscripts?

2005-12-22 Thread Archaic
DJ, what is the current status of the bootscripts? I recall you changing something WRT the removing the PID of the script, but is there anything else in the works? If not, perhaps a pre-release could be generated so it receives more wide-spread testing. -- Archaic Want control, education, and se

adding 2.6.15 to trunk

2005-12-22 Thread Archaic
ISTM that since trunk is a dev branch, we should be able to get away with a pre-release piece of software that is just around the corner of being released. With that in mind, should we going ahead and add 2.6.15-rc6 to the book and start fixing the hotplug/udev problems now so it at least has a cha

Re: Firefox - final thoughts

2005-12-22 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 12/22/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3) Leave --enable-svg commented as it adds a bit of overhead (to > support something that really isn't even in widespread use yet). If > someone wants to build with it, they simply need to remove the comment > pound sign. > > 4) Keep --enable

Re: Firefox - final thoughts

2005-12-22 Thread Andrew Benton
Randy McMurchy wrote: 5) Comment out the MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME line out, and write some text saying it doesn't need to be enabled for end user browsing and is used for development purposes only. Thanks Randy, If it causes any problems at all, you know who to blame! ;) Andy -- http://linuxfromscra

Seasons Greetings

2005-12-22 Thread Richard A Downing
I shall be shutting down my systems tonight for the Christmas Holiday, back on Wednesday. SWMBO and I have to deliver Seasonal Cheer to various parts of the UK over the next few days. It has been an interesting year, moved house, became a BLFS Editor, started renovating said house, gave up editing

Re: LFS-alphabetical: groff before perl

2005-12-22 Thread Archaic
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 12:47:46PM +0100, Nico R. wrote: > > What say the others? I say if using switches versus moving groff both result in identical binaries, then switches are probably easier and better in that the explanation of the switch is the perfect forum to mention that perl is looking

Re: LFS-alphabetical: groff before perl

2005-12-22 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 12/22/05, Alexander E. Patrakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nico R. wrote: > > > I haven't actually built a system from the alphabetical branch, but in > > situations like this one, I usually prefer using some configure > > switches. But that may be due to the fact that I like to have more > >

Re: LFS-alphabetical: groff before perl

2005-12-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Nico R. wrote: I haven't actually built a system from the alphabetical branch, but in situations like this one, I usually prefer using some configure switches. But that may be due to the fact that I like to have more control and dislike badly written configure scripts which have broken tests, pr

Re: LFS-alphabetical: groff before perl

2005-12-22 Thread Nico R.
Dan Nicholson wrote: Who hates the perl build system? I do, I do. Me too. %-| I can't tell you how long it took to figure this out since it appears the perl build system was written by a high school student. ??? ;-) Now, we could just add some mandir= type statements to configure.gnu, bu