Re: Bugs in udev_update branch

2006-02-22 Thread Matthew Burgess
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Matthew Burgess wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: The udev_retry initscript should run after mountfs and re-trigger the failed uevents in hope that they won't fail again. I really don't think this is necessary. Think about ALSA: alsactl is in /usr/sbin. B

Re: Bugs in udev_update branch

2006-02-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Matthew Burgess wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: 2) There is no "udev_retry" initscript. The idea is that, if a program specified in the "RUN" rule exits with nonzero status (presumably because it needs /usr), udev places a symlink into /dev/.udev/failed. The udev_retry initscript should

Re: Text in fstab page about /dev/shm

2006-02-22 Thread Chris Staub
Jeremy Utley wrote: As indicated by the email from Greg earlier, we do create /dev/shm as a directory during the install process. However, mounting a tmpfs filesystem there to allow POSIX shared memory support is an optional, although recommended and default, thing to do. There's actually some

Re: Text in fstab page about /dev/shm

2006-02-22 Thread Greg Schafer
Dan Nicholson wrote: > I don't know much about the subject either, Chris. Here's the thread > for the original flame war that resulted in that wording, though: > > http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-dev/2003-October/039106.html > > Maybe someone who understands the uses of SysV shared me

Re: Text in fstab page about /dev/shm

2006-02-22 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 2/22/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't really know much of anything about the subject myself, but it > seems strange that it says /dev/shm is "optional" when it's described as > required during the LFS system build. Is that paragraph simply out-of-date? I don't know much ab

Text in fstab page about /dev/shm

2006-02-22 Thread Chris Staub
In the "Creating /etc/fstab" section, there is this paragraph: The /dev/shm mount point for tmpfs is included to allow enabling POSIX-shared memory. The kernel must have the required support built into it for this to work (more about this is in the next section). Please note that very little s

Text in fstab page about /dev/shm

2006-02-22 Thread Chris Staub
In the "Creating /etc/fstab" section, there is this paragraph: The /dev/shm mount point for tmpfs is included to allow enabling POSIX-shared memory. The kernel must have the required support built into it for this to work (more about this is in the next section). Please note that very little s

Re: Binutils-2.16.1-pass1

2006-02-22 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 2/22/06, Bob Winckelmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My bad, > > I had seen > > >"[jhuntwork] - Adjust binutils-pass1 so we don't need to hang on to its > >source directories.. > > in the changelog... and I was under the (wrong) impression that those where no > longer necessary. I missed the c

Binutils-2.16.1-pass1

2006-02-22 Thread Bob Winckelmans
My bad, I had seen >"[jhuntwork] - Adjust binutils-pass1 so we don't need to hang on to its >source directories.. in the changelog... and I was under the (wrong) impression that those where no longer necessary. I missed the cp command, and thought that the commands no longer mattered becaus

Re: Binutils-2.16.1-pass1

2006-02-22 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 2/22/06, Bob Winckelmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 5.3. Binutils-2.16.1 - Pass 1 > > At the bottom, the > > >Next, prepare the linker for the "Adjusting" phase later on: > > make -C ld clean > > make -C ld LIB_PATH=/tools/lib > > cp -v ld/ld-new /tools/bin > > is no longer necessary I believe

Re: Does GCC compile option ---with-local-prefix still work?

2006-02-22 Thread William Zhou
Thanks for the hint, I will have a look at it. William Zhou Dan Nicholson wrote: On 2/21/06, William Zhou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The configuration switch --with-local-prefix seems to be redundant in GCC package. But after searching through the whole config script, it seems

Re: Binutils-2.16.1-pass1

2006-02-22 Thread William Zhou
# Adjusting the Toolchain # Tcl-8.4.12 # Expect-5.43.0 # DejaGNU-1.4.4 # GCC-4.0.2 - Pass 2 # Binutils-2.16.1 - Pass 2 Between toolchain adjustment and the 2nd pass of binutils, there are five packages including binutils itself get complied. If the ld were not replaced, it would search librari

Re: Binutils-2.16.1-pass1

2006-02-22 Thread Chris Staub
Bob Winckelmans wrote: 5.3. Binutils-2.16.1 - Pass 1 At the bottom, the Next, prepare the linker for the “Adjusting” phase later on: make -C ld clean make -C ld LIB_PATH=/tools/lib cp -v ld/ld-new /tools/bin is no longer necessary I believe, Kind regards, Bob Huh? Why is it "not necessary

Binutils-2.16.1-pass1

2006-02-22 Thread Bob Winckelmans
5.3. Binutils-2.16.1 - Pass 1 At the bottom, the >Next, prepare the linker for the “Adjusting” phase later on: > make -C ld clean > make -C ld LIB_PATH=/tools/lib > cp -v ld/ld-new /tools/bin is no longer necessary I believe, Kind regards, Bob -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs

Re: Bugs in udev_update branch

2006-02-22 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 2/22/06, Alexander E. Patrakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3) Linux-2.6.15 is used, which means that some deices (e.g., IDE CD-ROMs > and input devices) won't get modaliases or won't generate uevents > properly. The solution is to upgrade to linux-2.6.16-rc4 or to say that > the bug exists and

Re: Bugs in udev_update branch

2006-02-22 Thread Matthew Burgess
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Below is the incomplete list of things done wrong or incompletely in the udev_update branch. Here "wrong" doesn't include upstream faults. Thanks very much for the report Alexander. 1) Udev bootscript doesn't wait for uevents to be fully processed. OK, I'll add

Re: [RFC] Marking upstream bugs as such

2006-02-22 Thread Matthew Burgess
Gerard Beekmans wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote: The upstream keyword would certainly work. If Matt would like, you could also add either a new ticket type or a new component to reflect that the problem lies upstream. There's several ways to skin this cat. :) And think about a scenario like thi

Re: [RFC] Marking upstream bugs as such

2006-02-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Gerard Beekmans wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > >> The upstream keyword would certainly work. If Matt would like, you >> could also add either a new ticket type or a new component to reflect >> that the problem lies upstream. There's several ways to skin this cat. :) > > > And think about a sc

Re: Comments on Trac ticket mails

2006-02-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Nico R. wrote: > You all may think that these two points are very minor (and you are > probably right), but right now, I find them to be highly annoying. :-| No problem. The suggestion to look at these issues is reasonable. We'll see what we can do. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/ma

Re: OOo, Xorg7.0 etc etc etc

2006-02-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Bruce, I'll be doing X7 day after tomorrow > now...just didn't have time to get to it tonight. That's great. Please take a look at tickets 1298, 1463, 1770, and 1319 also and see if what you are doing can address them. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailma

Re: Re: Need to be Update , Windows Update 21.Feb.06

2006-02-22 Thread Kevin Day
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Re: Comments on Trac ticket mails

2006-02-22 Thread Gerard Beekmans
R.Quenett wrote: So, *if* it's a benefit to put it in at all, why not _post_pend it instead of _pre_pend it, ie Summary here [LFS Ticket #abc] To be honest, it looks odd. Also if a subject line is truncated in an email program due to space constraints, [LFS Ticket] may not appear. Only see

Re: Comments on Trac ticket mails

2006-02-22 Thread R . Quenett
on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 7:56 Gerard Beekmans wrote: " Maybe a change that combines both and use the old Bugzilla Subject method: " " [LFS Ticket #abc] Summary here " [BLFS Ticket #def] Summary here " and so forth. If I may suggest, the stuff in the square brackets

Re: Comments on Trac ticket mails

2006-02-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Gerard Beekmans wrote: What happens in cases where text is *not* US-ASCII and still sent with the content-transfer-encoding set to quoted-printable? Maybe nothing happens. I admit to knowing next to nothing about character sets in this way. If the text is not US-ASCII and the content-transfe

Re: Comments on Trac ticket mails

2006-02-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Gerard Beekmans wrote: What happens in cases where text is *not* US-ASCII and still sent with the content-transfer-encoding set to quoted-printable? Maybe nothing happens. I admit to knowing next to nothing about character sets in this way. It is perfectly legal to set content-transfer-encod

Re: Comments on Trac ticket mails

2006-02-22 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Gerard Beekmans wrote: Nico R. wrote: This is unfortunate, because when the subject can't be displayed completely by the mail reader, most messages look pretty much the same to me, example when there are replies to them: "Re: [Linux From Scratch] #1715: bas..." I suggest changing the subject pr

Re: [RFC] Marking upstream bugs as such

2006-02-22 Thread Gerard Beekmans
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: The upstream keyword would certainly work. If Matt would like, you could also add either a new ticket type or a new component to reflect that the problem lies upstream. There's several ways to skin this cat. :) And think about a scenario like this one: What do we do then

Re: Comments on Trac ticket mails

2006-02-22 Thread Gerard Beekmans
Nico R. wrote: This is unfortunate, because when the subject can't be displayed completely by the mail reader, most messages look pretty much the same to me, example when there are replies to them: "Re: [Linux From Scratch] #1715: bas..." I suggest changing the subject prefixes to LFS, BLFS, ALF

Re: [RFC] Marking upstream bugs as such

2006-02-22 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Hello, right now, both upstream bugs and LFS-specific issues would show up as "defects" in Trac. I would like to view them separately. Is it OK for me in the future to add the "upstream" keyword to bugs that are not LFS-specific? Or is some other way of marking su

[RFC] Marking upstream bugs as such

2006-02-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Hello, right now, both upstream bugs and LFS-specific issues would show up as "defects" in Trac. I would like to view them separately. Is it OK for me in the future to add the "upstream" keyword to bugs that are not LFS-specific? Or is some other way of marking such issues actually preferred?

Comments on Trac ticket mails

2006-02-22 Thread Nico R.
I noticed two things in the many mails I'm receiving from the Trac ticket system: 1. The subject lines always start with the full project name in square brackets and the ticket number. Example subject: "[Linux From Scratch] #1715: bash-3.1.010". This is unfortunate, because when the subject can't

Re: Bugs in udev_update branch

2006-02-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
I wrote: 1) Udev bootscript doesn't wait for uevents to be fully processed. Upstream recommends the following shell snippet for this purpose: loop=300 while test -d /dev/.udev/queue; do sleep 0.1 test "$loop" -gt 0 || break loop=$(($loop - 1))

Bugs in udev_update branch

2006-02-22 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Below is the incomplete list of things done wrong or incompletely in the udev_update branch. Here "wrong" doesn't include upstream faults. 1) Udev bootscript doesn't wait for uevents to be fully processed. Upstream recommends the following shell snippet for this purpose: loop=300

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-22 Thread Dimitry Naldayev
Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dan Nicholson wrote: > >> So, am I to gather from Matt and DJ that udevstart won't work >> correctly from udev-084? Or just that it's not installed by default? > after I did "/etc/rc.d/init.d/udev start" in chroot I have ruined the host system by some