Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
According to research coming from the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the sources of domestic terrorism - not the arab kind - has been alarmingly on the increase: hate extremist groups! http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism BTW, I read recently that all this government

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
BTW, today's daily sage from the end of the world - Argentina: Quinientos treinta y seis by eltopoerudito No hay secretos sino malos inquisidores There are no secrets: just lousy inquisitors. On Apr 19, 2013 5:54 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: According to

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Yosem Companys
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130418/19421722759/former-policy-secretary-dhs-uses-boston-bombing-to-point-out-how-eff-aclu-are-wrong-about-surveillance-cispa.shtml Former DHS Official Says Boston Bombing Proves ACLU EFF Are Wrong About Surveillance And CISPA from the

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Shava Nerad: I was fascinated today to see Mother Jones and many others reposting, entirely without reflection or comment, what seemed to me to be not crowdsourced images but second story surveillance camera shots of the FBI suspects. (Who, in addition, are being howled after as guilty until

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: I find it telling that the local news papers in Seattle referred to their photos as 'potential suspects' on the front page. The use of language is telling - it suggests that to be suspect is to be guilty. I wouldn't

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Jacob, it's all that and worse, I'm sure. Why wouldn't be any different? After all, there has been a terrorist attack in Boston, so one would expect the state of the art in counter-terrorism in full force here! On Apr 19, 2013 2:58 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Shava Nerad: I

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
They (FBI, DHS) did call them persons of interest - nbd, it's all the same On Apr 19, 2013 4:27 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Jacob, it's all that and worse, I'm sure. Why wouldn't be any different? After all, there has been a terrorist attack in Boston, so

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
On 4/18/13 9:52 PM, Shava Nerad wrote: Earlier today, btw, I predicted that this is why CISPA had a chance of passing the Senate, unless Leahy or some other eloquent champion spends considerable political and social capital smacking it down. This view isn't shared by many in DC... here's a

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: I find it telling that the local news papers in Seattle referred to their photos as 'potential suspects' on the front page. The use of language is telling - it suggests that to be suspect is to be

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes: Jacob, it's all that and worse, I'm sure. Why wouldn't be any different? Why indeed? After all, there has been a terrorist attack in Boston, so one would expect the state of the art in counter-terrorism in full force here! Terrorism is not an excuse for

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes: They (FBI, DHS) did call them persons of interest - nbd, it's all the same To suggest it is all the same is to miss the subtle changes in language and how the subtle changes in language change us. We might be OK with these changes and yet it feels dishonest

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
I'm talking about colloquial language and the drivers behind it, which today are predominantly the media. So my expectations are that people will very soon assume as synonyms person of interest, suspect , and criminal On Apr 19, 2013 5:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Andrés

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Shava Nerad
Jake -- I think the usual language would be alleged, not potential suspects. Wouldn't alleged bombers be even stronger though? I would think persons of interest would be toned down, and alleged bombers would be turning it up. What is this potential suspects? That's unusual language, and I

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Griffin Boyce
Shava Nerad shav...@gmail.com wrote: Skinheads wanting gun control are being blamed I was not aware this was a group that existed. ... It's kind of amazing just the level of rhetoric that has come out in favor of increase surveillance (monitoring) and decreased speech freedoms

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Shava Nerad
Sorry, parsing error on my part -- Skinheads wanting to disrupt a demonstration on behalf of gun control The last mile of the marathon was devoted to the victims of the Sandy Hook shootings. Long week. Tired. yrs, SN On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Griffin Boyce

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-18 Thread Shava Nerad
I was fascinated today to see Mother Jones and many others reposting, entirely without reflection or comment, what seemed to me to be not crowdsourced images but second story surveillance camera shots of the FBI suspects. (Who, in addition, are being howled after as guilty until proven innocent

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-18 Thread Shava Nerad
Earlier today, btw, I predicted that this is why CISPA had a chance of passing the Senate, unless Leahy or some other eloquent champion spends considerable political and social capital smacking it down. Awful timing. The House had been planning cybersecurity week for this week for months. I am

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-18 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 05:27:35PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: From: Lauren Weinstein lau...@vortex.com And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads We Need More Cameras, and We Need Them Now http://j.mp/14A4fY1 (Slate) Cities