Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-23 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While I support the idea of exposing the internal workings of these pointless companies, I would expect the poor "intern" who was "successful" would be bound by umpteen NDA's requiring various body parts if they were ever breached! Is it worth marty

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-23 Thread Jurre andmore
That's a rather excellent suggestion to infiltrate and spill their secrets! Op 23 feb. 2013 19:19 schreef "Don Marti" het volgende: > begin Jacob Appelbaum quotation of Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:06:38PM +: > > > This seems like a great job for understanding the current state and > > future traj

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-23 Thread Don Marti
begin Jacob Appelbaum quotation of Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:06:38PM +: > This seems like a great job for understanding the current state and > future trajectory of a specific component networked authoritarianism! Or for taking notes for an article, "I was an exploited intern for a creepy priva

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-23 Thread Ralph Holz
Hi, > Well written Griffin. And this approach is not just Fortune 500 > companies, and not just US either. This is correct. I've followed this thread and see the similarities to Germany here - except that some US states have gone ahead already and explicitly forbidden unpaid internships in certai

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-23 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Feb 2013, at 04:40, Griffin Boyce wrote: > > The unpaid internship "bubble" for Fortune 500 companies should have burst > five years ago. Not only is it bad business practice, it's unfair to the > interns who are put in that position. We

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Warigia Bowman
This is a well written point by Griffin! On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: > Leigh Honeywell wrote: > >> Unpaid internships are illegal and discriminatory. In terms of "white >> collar" labour practices, few things piss me off quite so much. >> >> I'm not a lawyer, but the

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Griffin Boyce
Leigh Honeywell wrote: > Unpaid internships are illegal and discriminatory. In terms of "white > collar" labour practices, few things piss me off quite so much. > > I'm not a lawyer, but the California Department of Industrial Relations, > Division of Labor Enforcement is pretty clear about what

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hamdan Azhar: > Please forward widely! > > --- > INTERNSHIPS AVAILABLE AT LEADING SILICON VALLEY STARTUP > > GraphScience - a Palo Alto based venture-backed startup focusing on > predictive behavioral analytics in social networks - is offering > internships for college students and recent graduat

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Greg Norcie
Sorry, my bad, I totally missed that. -- Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com) GPG key: 0x1B873635 On 2/22/13 5:00 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Greg Norcie wrote: >> While I agree the OP probably should have gone to libtech-jobs, are they >> actually saying they aren't payi

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Greg Norcie
While I agree the OP probably should have gone to libtech-jobs, are they actually saying they aren't paying? While they didn't mention payment in the OP, they didn't say it was unpaid either. The graphscience site lists some internships in with their other "hiring" opportunities. -- Greg Norcie (g

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Jillian C. York
Right - but in the context of this list, where there are lots of nonprofit folks, your initial statement was incredibly unclear. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Greg Norcie wrote: > Unpaid internships where you are not receiving college credit are > generally illegal, unless the business is "t

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Brian Conley
Hamdan, the appropriate place for this is the libtech jobs list, unless you are trying to raise some kind of discussion around the practice or the company. On Feb 21, 2013 6:44 PM, "Hamdan Azhar" wrote: > Please forward widely! > > --- > INTERNSHIPS AVAILABLE AT LEADING SILICON VALLEY STARTUP > >

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Andy Isaacson
Unpaid internships are not universally illegal, but are often misused to avoid minimum wage laws. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/business/03intern.html http://www.good.is/posts/unpaid-internship-unfair-likely-illegal-and-not-going-away-anytime-soon http://www.moneysideoflife.com/illegal-interns

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Greg Norcie
Unpaid internships where you are not receiving college credit are generally illegal, unless the business is "training" you and not receiving an economic benefit. This is not generally true for a vast majority of unpaid internships. -- Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com) GPG key: 0x1B873635 On 2/22/13 2

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread John Sullivan
Greg Norcie writes: > Unpaid internships are illegal actually. Unless receiving course credit > from a university - then they're just morally unsound :) > They aren't illegal in the US (especially not for nonprofits), as long as they are truly an educational / job skills opportunity for the ben

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Leigh Honeywell
Unpaid internships are illegal and discriminatory. In terms of "white collar" labour practices, few things piss me off quite so much. I'm not a lawyer, but the California Department of Industrial Relations, Division of Labor Enforcement is pretty clear about what companies are allowed to use unpa

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Cooper Quintin
I agree, if you can stomach being in the belly of the beast it might be worth going down to interview with these guys to find out more about what kind of privacy invading technology they are developing. I suspect it is similar to 'Spokeo', which is a company that essentially creates a dossier

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Greg Norcie wrote: > Unpaid internships are illegal actually. Unless receiving course credit > from a university - then they're just morally unsound :) But such a great research opportunity to go find out about more privacy invading technology and the companies t

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Greg Norcie
Unpaid internships are illegal actually. Unless receiving course credit from a university - then they're just morally unsound :) -- Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com) GPG key: 0x1B873635 On 2/22/13 10:16 AM, Q. Parker wrote: > A list enumerating some items which make this post objectionable: > > 1)

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Q. Parker
A list enumerating some items which make this post objectionable: 1) Unpaid internships are wrong on a number of levels. 2) This is data-mining/graph analysis for spam. 3) "Quirky" should be a qualification for employment only for clinical trials. 4) The only thing this work will liberate is th

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Mark Nelson
Actually Jurre I think I disagree. It seems to me a company using the social graph to do "predictive behavioral analytics" for clients who are "major Fortune 500 retailers" has EVERYTHING to do with liberation technology. When companies who know more about you than you know about yourself can use

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Jurre andmore
Not only is it spam, it has nothing to do with liberation technology, it's not even free and opensource technology, I thought this list would speak out against fascist companies like the one Hamdan Azhar is working for. But this appears to not be the case. We we're all outraged when the Guardian b

Re: [liberationtech] Internships available at leading Palo Alto tech startup

2013-02-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 06:43:38PM -0800, Hamdan Azhar wrote: > Please forward widely! Please not. This is spam. > --- > INTERNSHIPS AVAILABLE AT LEADING SILICON VALLEY STARTUP > > GraphScience - a Palo Alto based venture-backed startup focusing on > predictive behavioral analytics in social ne