Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-03 Thread Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai
On 12/02/2010 05:48 PM, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 16:33 +, Michael Meeks wrote: So, As part of the quest to make LibreOffice easier to build; and in parallel to annoy developers who are missing those java implemented features into re-writing them into C++, I was

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-03 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote: I agree. However can we see what we lose with java enabled builds (diskspace, performance, startup time)? Random facts - here, java-1_6_0-sun-1.6.0.u22 is a major offender in powertop, with apparently some GC timer running very frequently. Cheers, -- Thorsten

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-03 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 01:50:24 -0700, Tor Lillqvist wrote: Aren't you mixing up two orthogonal issues here? Whether to use Java when building LibreOffice, and whether to have and distribute parts of the LibreOffice end product requiring a Java runtime. Isn't Java used during the build also

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-03 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
This is quite interesting Sebastian. I'm on Kubuntu on my netbook and i am using the openjdk. From what i have asked in the past about java jre and jdk you can have multiple versions installed. on mac for instance it comes with both the 32bit and 64bit jdk and jre. On 12/2/10 8:22 PM,

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-03 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Sebastian, *, On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:31:02 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:45:17 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:        would

[Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Michael Meeks
So, As part of the quest to make LibreOffice easier to build; and in parallel to annoy developers who are missing those java implemented features into re-writing them into C++, I was wondering: would anyone scream if we defaulted configure to --without-java ? [ this is primarily

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
would that also fix the issue of LO not finding junit jar and needing to use --without-junit when running ./autogen.sh? On 12/2/10 5:33 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: So, As part of the quest to make LibreOffice easier to build; and in parallel to annoy developers who are missing those java

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Jonathon, Michael, *, On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: would that also fix the issue of LO not finding junit jar and needing to use --without-junit when running ./autogen.sh? That is totally different thing. If without-junit is a problem, then

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 16:33 +, Michael Meeks wrote: So, As part of the quest to make LibreOffice easier to build; and in parallel to annoy developers who are missing those java implemented features into re-writing them into C++, I was wondering: would anyone scream if we

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 05:45:17PM +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: (without the bogus version dependencies), quicker to compile, and faster to run (I hope) ;-) Faste to run? Surely not. Java is only loaded when java-stuff is actually used. Actually observations show it does make a

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
i'm not worried bout not having junit wasn't sure if junit would have been affected by --without-java. reason i was having as of last night was small issue with autogen.sh which kendy kindly fixed On 12/2/10 5:57 PM, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 05:34:59PM +0100, Jonathan

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:45:17 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:        would anyone scream if we defaulted configure to --without-java ? I would. I would not. [ this is primarily for developers ], should make it easier to build Come on, what is hard about installing a JDK? My LibO build

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Sebastian, *; On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:45:17 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:        would anyone scream if we defaulted configure to --without-java ? I would. I would not. I hope not for the wrong reasons. [

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 20:31 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Sebastian, *; On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: My LibO build failed with the included openjdk, gcj, and sun-jre installed, I had to remove openjdk, and then I had to remove the gcj

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Wols Lists
On 02/12/10 19:31, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Sebastian, *; On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:45:17 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: would anyone scream if we defaulted configure to --without-java ? I would. I would

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:32:15PM +, Wols Lists wrote: I would agree with this. This is my problem with ant - I have java but not ant installed, it worked for me on the old system, and it now fails. Then install it? Grüße/Regards, René -- .''`. René Engelhard -- Debian GNU/Linux

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 16:33 +, Michael Meeks wrote: So,       As part of the quest to make LibreOffice easier to build; and in parallel to annoy developers who are missing those java implemented features into

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 11:33am -0500 Thu, 02 Dec 2010, Michael Meeks wrote: As part of the quest to make LibreOffice easier to build; and in parallel to annoy developers who are missing those java implemented features into re-writing them into C++, I was wondering: would anyone scream if we defaulted configure to

Re: [Libreoffice] defaulting to --without-java ... (?)

2010-12-02 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:31:02 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:45:17 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:        would anyone scream if we defaulted configure to --without-java ? I would. I would not. I hope not