Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread Aaron Wolf
I've been suggesting for a long time that the ideal vision we should at least have rhetorically (not practically) is the abolition of copyright and patent laws combined with mandatory source-release for published works and prohibition of DRM. On 03/08/2015 10:55 AM, James Dabgotra wrote: I think

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread Aaron Wolf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 This is getting too off-topic, but the idea of giving an author exclusive control over their work is one that needs to be justified and not accepted blindly. Copyright is indeed an issue in basically all cases. It hampers culture and progress and

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread rysiek
Dnia niedziela, 8 marca 2015 10:29:33 Will Hill pisze: Copyright is a obsolete restriction that software owners have stretched enormously to control computers and their users. Now we must not forget that there would be no copyleft without copyright. It's easy to disavow copyright completely,

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread Aaron Wolf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Nobody was forgetting that copyleft is a hack of copyright law. Abolish copyright, prohibit DRM, mandate source release. With that combo, there is no need for copyright law. Copyleft is a means to an end. The end is software freedom. If we can

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread James Dabgotra
I think what was being suggested is copyleft encourages developers to forgo their right to put software under a proprietary license. But copyleft isn't mandatory. Besides, that freedom to put it under that license is the freedom to potentially exercise power over others. Vis-a-vis JS Mill, you

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
hellekin helle...@gnu.org writes: On 03/08/15 14:58, Aaron Wolf wrote: abolition of copyright *** copyright is not the issue really: the abuse of copyright is. author's lifetime One day in a mail discuss with Cynbe ru Taren and someone else the discussion finished that the license /

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread Aaron Wolf
Yes, we should demand this level of transparency regarding widely published / distributed items. We already require nutrition details and ingredients on food. We don't require a recipe to be published, but I think that would be fine to do so. It would apply only to a certain level of distribution.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread John Pozzi
unsubscribe. www.grb.net - Original Message -From: Yoni Rabkin y...@rabkins.netTo: Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.orgCc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.orgSent: Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:37:16 - (UTC)Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me) Mark

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)

2015-03-08 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Now, you could definitely say that copyleft is not a restriction on the end