Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Tiberiu-Cezar, This isn't really my topic but you've made your point (repeatedly). Respectfully, please don't fill my inbox to say the same thing over and over when people disagree and when numerous people have asked you to stop and to drop them from discussions. Eric On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

(I forgot to reply to all lists… Sorry.) It seems the problem is the meaning of “libre” in terms of unreleased hardware/software. EOMA68 certainly is aligned with libre culture and significant for freedom because of its modularity standard. It also is GPL-compliant like any unreleased product, but

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 23:03, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote: > I have to disagree here. Comparing this to GPL violation is outrageous. You might be right and the parallelism I made is too extrapolated. Thanks for noting that. Tiberiu

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Ali, thanks for your arguments. Schematics don't make a hardware free-design hardware, as PaulK has stated and as Richard's essay explains. It's the PCB design sources. Schematics are usually PDF files. I doubt any of the people who now hold the EOMA68-A20 computer boards would disobey the project

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:26:42PM +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > On 26.08.2016 21:48, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > > and *not a problem* if all available sources > > will eventually be released. > > Well, if it's not true that said hardware is libre hardware now (or > since "the v

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 22:47, Eric Schultz wrote: > This isn't really my topic but you've made your point (repeatedly). > Respectfully, please don't fill my inbox to say the same thing over and > over when people disagree and when numerous people have asked you to > stop and to drop them from discussions.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 19:05, Josh Branning wrote: > Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic > > Maybe they /do/ intend to release the CAD files when they say they will. > In which case, has it occurred to you that the kind of things you are > saying: > > A) May look a bit silly once (and if) they're released. They have

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Hi all, I’m not even sure that it’s imprecise to say that it is “free from the very beginning.” However, since my reasoning may be wrong, let me write it below and you folk can point out my mistakes. To quote Christopher: “Everybody who has the devices has the schematics and rights thereof.” S

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 21:48, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > It seems the problem is the meaning of “libre” in terms of unreleased > hardware/software. EOMA68 certainly is aligned with libre culture and > significant for freedom because of its modularity standard. It also is > GPL-compliant like any un

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 19:27, Ali Razeen wrote: > I follow your argument but to make sure we’re on the same page, let me try to > rephrase it in my own words so that you can agree or disagree. I believe you > claim that we cannot say that the EOMA68 is “libre hardware from the > beginning” because we hav

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

(Removed John Sullivan from the CC list because I’m sure he gets this email via libreplanet-discuss and doesn’t need (want?) me to address him directly :)) I follow your argument but to make sure we’re on the same page, let me try to rephrase it in my own words so that you can agree or disagree.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Thank you, Ali. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my call and share your opinion on the libreplanet-discuss mailing list. On 26.08.2016 16:28, Ali Razeen wrote: > If this is true in the libre hardware world, I follow your logic, but I'm not sure there is an exact analogy libre sof

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

My first attempt was to discuss and suggest better wordings for both older and upcoming publications. I didn't intend to make accusations and such. This is why I sent several messages here suggesting both "parties" of the discussion to simply analise the issue and, if needed, correct not only the

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Hi Tiberiu-Cezar, I am only a libre software/hardware user and a backer of EOMA. > On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:30 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > > On 26.08.2016 12:46, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: >> Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 23:22 -0400, John Sullivan a écrit : >>> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: >

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 12:46, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 23:22 -0400, John Sullivan a écrit : >> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: >> Below are more attempts of ThinkPenguin to brainwash people. >> >> This stops now on this list. ThinkPenguin is not deliberately attempting >> to brain

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 23:22 -0400, John Sullivan a écrit : > Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: > Below are more attempts of ThinkPenguin to brainwash people. > > This stops now on this list. ThinkPenguin is not deliberately attempting > to brainwash anyone, and we won't tolerate accusations of ba

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 10:44 PM, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic >> wrote: >> >> On 26.08.2016 05 [1]:22, Christopher Waid wrote: >>> The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/softw

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 06:22, John Sullivan wrote > What this *should* be is a discussion among people on the same side to > refine text and messaging such that it is accurate, approachable, and > effective. Please make it that. I believe your or other FSF staff member's comments on the points raised here

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 10:44 PM, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 05 [1]:22, Christopher Waid wrote: The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/software project, not that everything has been released yet. Then it's not a libr

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 10:29 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 05:22, Christopher Waid wrote: The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/software project, not that everything has been released yet. Then it's not a libre hardware project yet! It is. All owners of this hardware have

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

John Sullivan writes: > Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: > >> Below are more attempts of ThinkPenguin to brainwash people. >> > > This stops now on this list. (By "this list", I mean libreplanet-discuss.) -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: A462 6CBA

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 10:22 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 05:16, Christopher Waid wrote: On 2016-08-25 06:26 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of "you said it is 'libre

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic writes: > Below are more attempts of ThinkPenguin to brainwash people. > This stops now on this list. ThinkPenguin is not deliberately attempting to brainwash anyone, and we won't tolerate accusations of bad faith here. What this *should* be is a discussion among people

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 10:19 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 04:03, André Silva wrote: Hi guys, i let you know that our url about EOMA68 news has been changed [0] to fix misleading information there too. [0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-ryf-seeking-hardware-crowdfunding-project-wit

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 10:03 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 02:18, Christopher Waid wrote: On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've actually contributed somethin

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

tiberiu: please cease and desist from emailing me. you are not authorised to use my email address.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > On 26.08.2016 05:22, Christopher Waid wrote: > > The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/software project, not > > that everything has been released yet. > > Then it's not a libre hardware project yet! > > And need I remind

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 05:22, Christopher Waid wrote: > The project is claiming to be a libre hardware/software project, not > that everything has been released yet. Then it's not a libre hardware project yet! And need I remind you that outside your organization there is an organization/user of an EOMA68

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 05:16, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 06:26 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >> On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >>> On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even the iss

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 07:11 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 26.08.2016 01:33, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: Le vendredi 26 août 2016 à 01:26 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic a écrit : On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 04:03, André Silva wrote: > Hi guys, i let you know that our url about EOMA68 news has been changed > [0] to fix misleading information there too. > > [0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-ryf-seeking-hardware-crowdfunding-project-with-parabola-pre-installed/ That's a good thing. Oh,

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 06:33 PM, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: Le vendredi 26 août 2016 à 01:26 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic a écrit : On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > > On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > > > > This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 06:26 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, c

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 02:18, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >> On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: >>> I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've >>> actually contributed something of significance and aren't just trying to >>>

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

I bought my Libre Tea. I wait for Laptop House with 11' screen :) Help guys this great project! Thanks, -- Daniel Pimentel (aka d4n1)

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Hi guys, i let you know that our url about EOMA68 news has been changed [0] to fix misleading information there too. [0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-ryf-seeking-hardware-crowdfunding-project-with-parabola-pre-installed/ On 08/25/2016 08:18 PM, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've actually contributed something of significance and aren't just trying to undermine those working on solving these problems. For s

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 26.08.2016 01:33, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > Le vendredi 26 août 2016 à 01:26 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic a écrit : >> On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >>> >>> On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it'

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Le vendredi 26 août 2016 à 01:26 +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic a écrit : > On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > > > > On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > > > > > > This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even > > > the issue regarding th

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 25.08.2016 15:47, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: >> This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even >> the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, can be >> easily solved by changing terms/words acco

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-25 05:01 AM, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: Hi, Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 04:42 -0400, Christopher Waid a écrit : The laptops we sell currently @ ThinkPenguin are not RYF'd and shouldn't be RYF'd, but we are working on something better than LibreBoot in that it solves the free software prob

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

I'm going to reiterate that it is not my position that the wording 'free software friendly' is perfect. Changing this to compatible with free software operating systems may work. It may not. It may depend on the context. It may be challenging to integrate. The laptops we sell currently @ Think

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 25.08.2016 15:25, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even > the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, can be > easily solved by changing terms/words accordingly there. There's no need > to make everyone mad at

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, can be easily solved by changing terms/words accordingly there. There's no need to make everyone mad at each other. For example, we can publish updates on these p

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: > I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've > actually contributed something of significance and aren't just trying to > undermine those working on solving these problems. For some of us it > isn't about financial gain. We actually

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Hi, Le jeudi 25 août 2016 à 04:42 -0400, Christopher Waid a écrit : > The laptops we sell currently @ ThinkPenguin are not RYF'd and shouldn't  > be RYF'd, but we are working on something better than LibreBoot in that  > it solves the free software problems in a more permanent long term way:  > EO

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 2016-08-24 06:25 AM, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: Le mardi 23 août 2016 à 11:24 -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira a écrit : Just now, I **have** subscribed to Parabola's dev mailing list. So I'll try to catch-up with this topic. :) I'm inserting libreplanet-discuss and trisquel-users mailing lists

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

On 24.08.2016 20:18, Christopher Waid wrote: > When this text was written LibreBoot didn't exist I beg to differ. The text we refer to is from summer 2014 after SouthEast GNU/Linux Fest 2014 took place on June 20-22, 2014. https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/short-interview-christopher-waid-ab

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Le mardi 23 août 2016 à 11:24 -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira a écrit : > Just now, I **have** subscribed to Parabola's dev mailing list. So I'll > try to catch-up with this topic. :) > > I'm inserting libreplanet-discuss and trisquel-users mailing lists as > recipients of this email because of my o

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

Just now, I **have** subscribed to Parabola's dev mailing list. So I'll try to catch-up with this topic. :) I'm inserting libreplanet-discuss and trisquel-users mailing lists as recipients of this email because of my opinion on Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic's message (