Re: Progress with make doc

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Campbell
On 12-02-08 10:08 AM, Phil Holmes wrote: If the changes I have in progress are completed, then the output of make -s doc is just under 5000 lines. This is from a baseline of approx 500,000 lines with make doc. If we can get rid of the bfrange error (http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/de

New German PO file for 'lilypond' (version 2.15.29)

2012-02-08 Thread Translation Project Robot
Hello, gentle maintainer. This is a message from the Translation Project robot. A revised PO file for textual domain 'lilypond' has been submitted by the German team of translators. The file is available at: http://translationproject.org/latest/lilypond/de.po (We can arrange things so that

Re: PATCH: Countdown to 20120209

2012-02-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 2/8/12 12:30 PM, "Benkő Pál" wrote: >> Issue 2300: Patch: do not tinker with the position of a pitched >>rest - R >> 5434061 > >changed to need_work (didn't find a better way to express I'm working on >it). > >p That's exactly the right way to do it. Thanks. Carl _

Re: PATCH: Countdown to 20120209

2012-02-08 Thread Benkő Pál
>     Issue 2300: Patch: do not tinker with the position of a pitched rest - R > 5434061 changed to need_work (didn't find a better way to express I'm working on it). p ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailma

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 07:11:26PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 2/8/12 11:01 AM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > > >I can not see this funding non-Americans working outside of > >America. > > If you look at the links, many of the successful grants either invite or > require multiple country in

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 2/8/12 11:01 AM, "Graham Percival" wrote: >On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 02:29:00PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the >> National Endowment for the Humanities. > >I could see this funding Americans to work on lilypond programming >while liv

Re: can we use Wikipedia to promote LilyPond? I think yes!

2012-02-08 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 8 February 2012 17:03, Janek Warchoł wrote: > Wikipedia uses LaTeX to render math formulas. Hi Janek, This was already discussed (a long time ago) on LilyPond mailing lists IIRC. Should be findable through the archives. > Why couldn't it use LilyPond to create music examples in articles?

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 02:29:00PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: > So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the > National Endowment for the Humanities. I could see this funding Americans to work on lilypond programming while living in America. I could see this potentially funding A

Re: texi2pdf errors

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Julien Rioux writes: > On 08/02/2012 12:30 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: >> That also looks a bit hacky/difficult to understand why we do it. >> >> Is it the case, then, that with --quiet or --batch, texi2pdf carries on >> processing despite errors occurring and only stops at the end, whereas >> without

Re: texi2pdf errors

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Rioux
On 08/02/2012 12:30 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: That also looks a bit hacky/difficult to understand why we do it. Is it the case, then, that with --quiet or --batch, texi2pdf carries on processing despite errors occurring and only stops at the end, whereas without those it stops immediately? -- Phil

Re: texi2pdf errors

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Julien Rioux" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: Re: texi2pdf errors Phil Holmes philholmes.net> writes: So - I think we have 2 options to improve this: 1) Put something in the CG about failing texi2pdf build and how to debug it 2

Progress with make doc

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
If the changes I have in progress are completed, then the output of make -s doc is just under 5000 lines. This is from a baseline of approx 500,000 lines with make doc. If we can get rid of the bfrange error (http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2146) it would be less than 2500.

Re: articulations on EventChord

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/2/8 David Kastrup : >> LilyPond's typesetting does not act on music expressions and music >> events.  It acts exclusively on stream events.  It is the act of >> iterators to convert a music expression into a sequence of stream events >> played in time order. >> >> The

Re: can we use Wikipedia to promote LilyPond? I think yes!

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/2/8 David Kastrup : >> A publication like Wikipedia would likely have considerable leanings >> towards a MusicXML-based solution. > > I don't imagine anyone typing MusicXML > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MusicXML#Example Nor do I with MathXML but it still is getting

Re: can we use Wikipedia to promote LilyPond? I think yes!

2012-02-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/8 David Kastrup : > A publication like Wikipedia would likely have considerable leanings > towards a MusicXML-based solution. I don't imagine anyone typing MusicXML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MusicXML#Example > Easily convertable > tweak-less subsets of LilyPond (the sort of thing that w

Re: can we use Wikipedia to promote LilyPond? I think yes!

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > Wikipedia uses LaTeX to render math formulas. Why couldn't it use > LilyPond to create music examples in articles? > > Why LilyPond is perfect for Wikipedia: > - text input, can be created using a web browser > - easy to create both vector graphics and raster images at an

can we use Wikipedia to promote LilyPond? I think yes!

2012-02-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
Wikipedia uses LaTeX to render math formulas. Why couldn't it use LilyPond to create music examples in articles? Why LilyPond is perfect for Wikipedia: - text input, can be created using a web browser - easy to create both vector graphics and raster images at any given resolution - GNU GPL'ed ...

Re: texi2pdf errors

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Rioux
Phil Holmes philholmes.net> writes: > So - I think we have 2 options to improve this: > > 1) Put something in the CG about failing texi2pdf build and how to debug it > 2) Write another shell script much simpler than run-and-check that runs > texi2pdf, check its return value, and if it's a fail,

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/8 Carl Sorensen : > Guidelines for the preservation grant (which will probably be due in July) > are shown here: > http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/HCRR.html > > Guidelines for the digital humanities grants are shown here: > http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.h

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: To: ; ; ; Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046) And one last question: http://codereview.appspot.com/5645046/diff/1005/stepmake/stepmake/texinfo-rules.make File

Re: articulations on EventChord

2012-02-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/8 David Kastrup : > LilyPond's typesetting does not act on music expressions and music > events.  It acts exclusively on stream events.  It is the act of > iterators to convert a music expression into a sequence of stream events > played in time order. > > The EventChord iterator is pretty s

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread julien . rioux
And one last question: http://codereview.appspot.com/5645046/diff/1005/stepmake/stepmake/texinfo-rules.make File stepmake/stepmake/texinfo-rules.make (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/5645046/diff/1005/stepmake/stepmake/texinfo-rules.make#newcode37 stepmake/stepmake/texinfo-rules.make:37:

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: "Julien Rioux" Cc: "Phil Holmes" ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046) Julien Rioux writes: I guess I made a typo and it should be eval

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Rioux
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:31 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Julien Rioux writes: > >> I guess I made a typo and it should be >> eval $1 &> $2                        # Redirect both stdout and stderr >> to log file. >> >> but apparently my version of bash understands either &> or >&, and it >> works pe

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Julien Rioux writes: > I guess I made a typo and it should be > eval $1 &> $2# Redirect both stdout and stderr > to log file. > > but apparently my version of bash understands either &> or >&, and it > works perfectly: Please refrain from entirely unneeded bashisms as the

Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
Developers, I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to support David K as long as he's interested). As I've thought about it, going after a grant seems the most logical thing to do. So I looked into

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Rioux
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Julien Rioux" > To: "Phil Holmes" > >> Yes, the DEPTH=... confuses bash, so eval is needed. Please try >> something like the attached though. It removes all the exec stuff and >> will be much easier to under

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > - Original Message - > From: "Julien Rioux" > To: "Phil Holmes" >> Yes, the DEPTH=... confuses bash, so eval is needed. Please try >> something like the attached though. It removes all the exec stuff and >> will be much easier to understand for future contributo

texi2pdf errors

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
As is stands _right now_ an error creating a pdf file using texi2pdf in make doc is a bit difficult to trace. That's because we now run texi2pdf with the --quiet option, so any output generated goes to a logfile which it silently creates. So if I put some rubbish in notation and run make doc,

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Julien Rioux" To: "Phil Holmes" Yes, the DEPTH=... confuses bash, so eval is needed. Please try something like the attached though. It removes all the exec stuff and will be much easier to understand for future contributors. The exec stuff is needed only for

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Julien Rioux writes: > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 01:23:06PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: >>> The reason I was suggesting an early push was that cleaning up make >>> doc is a cumulative affair, and I find it easier to manage >>> changes/patch

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > - Original Message - > From: > To: ; ; > Cc: ; > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue > 5645046) > > >> I'm not sure why the run-and-check.sh script needs to be so complicated. > > N

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Rioux
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 01:23:06PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: >> The reason I was suggesting an early push was that cleaning up make >> doc is a cumulative affair, and I find it easier to manage >> changes/patches if I don't have multiple dif

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Rioux
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: > - Original Message - From: > To: ; ; > Cc: ; > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue > 5645046) > > > >> I'm not sure why the run-and-check.sh script needs

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 01:23:06PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: > The reason I was suggesting an early push was that cleaning up make > doc is a cumulative affair, and I find it easier to manage > changes/patches if I don't have multiple differences from master in > my build system. I'd like to get o

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: To: ; ; Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046) LGTM, but I think it should go through a normal countdown. The reason I was suggesting an early push was that clea

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: To: ; ; Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046) I'm not sure why the run-and-check.sh script needs to be so complicated. Nor me. But I did a lot of experimentatio

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread julien . rioux
I'm not sure why the run-and-check.sh script needs to be so complicated. http://codereview.appspot.com/5645046/diff/1005/scripts/build/run-and-check.sh File scripts/build/run-and-check.sh (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/5645046/diff/1005/scripts/build/run-and-check.sh#newcode3 scripts/bu

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread graham
LGTM, but I think it should go through a normal countdown. http://codereview.appspot.com/5645046/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Directs makeinfo and texi2html output to logfiles (issue 5645046)

2012-02-08 Thread PhilEHolmes
Updates pretty much as suggested. Please review and agree to push. http://codereview.appspot.com/5645046/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: release blocked due to issues to verify

2012-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 11:22:44AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > It is usually the responsibility of the person marking the issue fixed > to also add the fixed_xx_xx label and mention the commit, but if that > has not been done for some reason, I think we have keeping this info > somewhat accurate

Re: release blocked due to issues to verify

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:22 AM Subject: Re: release blocked due to issues to verify "Phil Holmes" writes: - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: Cc: "Phil Holmes" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9

Re: release blocked due to issues to verify

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > - Original Message - > From: "Graham Percival" > To: > Cc: "Phil Holmes" > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:59 AM > Subject: release blocked due to issues to verify > > >> It might be nice to have a release later today, as there are 5 >> Critical fixes eith

Re: release blocked due to issues to verify

2012-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 10:13:53AM -, Phil Holmes wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" > > Those are all patches which only actually appear in 15.29 Then label them as fixed_2_15_29. - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing lis

Re: release blocked due to issues to verify

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: Cc: "Phil Holmes" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: release blocked due to issues to verify It might be nice to have a release later today, as there are 5 Critical fixes either pushed or waiting to be pushed. Unfort

release blocked due to issues to verify

2012-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
It might be nice to have a release later today, as there are 5 Critical fixes either pushed or waiting to be pushed. Unfortunately, http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/list?can=7 shows some issues which do *not* contain "fixed_2_15_29", so I will not make a release. In case you forgot, the r

Re: articulations on EventChord

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/2/7 David Kastrup : > >> As long as this is just user generated content, there is not much >> more to do rather than let the event chord iterator replay >> articulations after elements. > > I don't understand. Do you mean that if an articulation is applied to > Event

Re: articulations on EventChord

2012-02-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/7 David Kastrup : > > I have been just rewritting a snippet that used to add text spanners to > "elements" working purely on EventChord.  It now has to add to > "articulations" on a NoteEvent, and to "elements" on EventChord. > > As an element of courtesy to programmers, I would like to allo