Re: development on windows

2009-11-22 Thread Trevor Daniels
Anthony W. Youngman wrote Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:06 PM In message , Frédéric Bron writes create a mount point: $ mkdir /mnt/Share then add the following line to /etc/fstab: Share /mnt/Share vboxsf defaults 0 0 Hmm. Is there any way to have this pre-configured? i.e. tell uses to creat

Re: development on windows

2009-11-22 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message , Frédéric Bron writes create a mount point: $ mkdir /mnt/Share then add the following line to /etc/fstab: Share           /mnt/Share      vboxsf  defaults 0 0 Hmm.  Is there any way to have this pre-configured?  i.e. tell uses to create  C:\lilybuntu-share\ in windows (or create i

Re: development on windows

2009-11-22 Thread Frédéric Bron
>> create a mount point: >> $ mkdir /mnt/Share >> then add the following line to /etc/fstab: >> Share           /mnt/Share      vboxsf  defaults 0 0 > > Hmm.  Is there any way to have this pre-configured?  i.e. tell > uses to create >  C:\lilybuntu-share\ > in windows (or create it for them), and h

Re: development on windows

2009-11-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 06:44:38PM +0100, Frédéric Bron wrote: > > The only two problems I've yet to resolve are how to share files > > with my Windows host > > Create a directory in windows for that, let's say d:\Share > Then you go in VirtualBox, click on the virtual machine name and in > the me

Re: development on windows

2009-11-22 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/11/22 Trevor Daniels : > The only two problems I've yet to resolve are how to share files > with my Windows host I usually open the Places menu and choose 'connect to a host', this opens a file browser on the host if you know its IP and select a proper protocol. Sorry for not giving more det

Re: development on windows

2009-11-22 Thread Frédéric Bron
> The only two problems I've yet to resolve are how to share files > with my Windows host Create a directory in windows for that, let's say d:\Share Then you go in VirtualBox, click on the virtual machine name and in the menu "Machine/Preferences". Here you find shared directories where you can ad

Re: development on windows

2009-11-22 Thread Trevor Daniels
Jonathan Kulp wrote Friday, June 12, 2009 8:59 PM The .iso is finished uploading and is ready for testing by whoever wants to try it. Download here: http://prodet.hu/bert/lilydev/lilybuntu.iso It's 716 MB, so it won't fit on a CD. If you're using a virtual machine you don't have to worry ab

Re: development on windows

2009-06-22 Thread T. Wilkinson
Graham, Yes, I have used VMWare before, but only very very briefly. I'm downloading the `lilybuntu' iso at the moment, and will get back to you after I have managed to run it (I'll keep a note of all my steps in case anyone wants to repeat after me...). Tim W. Graham Percival wrote: On

Re: development on windows

2009-06-17 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
A quick update: - tried Anjuta - couldn't import LilyPond - tried KDevelop - there were problems with it regarding setting different arguments to lilypond - tried Eclipse CDT - after some tutorial about importing the project (http://moblin.org/documentation/moblin-sdk/coding-tutorials/getting-st

Re: development on windows

2009-06-16 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Jonathan Kulp wrote: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: Jonathan, only one issue: - If a command is not found (like typing 'asdf' in the terminal window), some python script is telling errors. Is that intentional? Can you post the terminal output from this? The only message I see when

Re: development on windows

2009-06-16 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: Jonathan, only one issue: - If a command is not found (like typing 'asdf' in the terminal window), some python script is telling errors. Is that intentional? Can you post the terminal output from this? The only message I see when I do this is as follow

Re: development on windows

2009-06-16 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Jonathan, only one issue: - If a command is not found (like typing 'asdf' in the terminal window), some python script is telling errors. Is that intentional? Just for the record: - On Asus EEE 901 KDevelop works very well using this VirtualBox + LilyUbuntu setup, running on a pen drive. - I

Re: development on windows

2009-06-15 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Well, Eclipse runs very well on my netbook with Atom and 2gb ram. But the cdt is still very limited. Also its startup from the pen drive is too slop. But kdevelop seems all right, which has ctags integration and looks up macro definitions in a second. Bert ___

Re: development on windows

2009-06-15 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > In message <20090614225255.ga7...@nagi>, Graham Percival > writes > >2) I don't know what the current favorite fancy IDE is, although > >I'm fairly certain that Eclipse runs on Linux. I'm not certain if > >that would actually be good for Li

Re: development on windows

2009-06-15 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <20090614225255.ga7...@nagi>, Graham Percival writes 2) I don't know what the current favorite fancy IDE is, although I'm fairly certain that Eclipse runs on Linux. I'm not certain if that would actually be good for LilyPond, though -- does it support C++ and makefiles? IIRC eclips

Re: development on windows

2009-06-15 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Yes, that was a good idea. Now I'm gonna try this thing out on my Eee Pc. :) Jonathan Kulp wrote: Bertalan Fodor wrote: Now I'm running lilybuntu in Sun VirtualBox from my pendrive. Successfully built LilyPond, now I start playing with kdevelop. Thanks for the fun. Bert Cool! Thanks for

Re: development on windows

2009-06-15 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Bertalan Fodor wrote: Now I'm running lilybuntu in Sun VirtualBox from my pendrive. Successfully built LilyPond, now I start playing with kdevelop. Thanks for the fun. Bert Cool! Thanks for testing, Bert. Did you get the Guest Additions installed successfully? Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http

Re: development on windows

2009-06-15 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Now I'm running lilybuntu in Sun VirtualBox from my pendrive. Successfully built LilyPond, now I start playing with kdevelop. Thanks for the fun. Bert > Graham Percival wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 04:44:30PM -0600, Carl D. Sorensen wrote: >>> On 6/13/09 11:39 PM, "Bertalan Fodor" wrote: >

Re: development on windows

2009-06-14 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> (again, I'm happy to dump whatever suggestions people throw at me > in the CG) A very nice IDE with editor and debugger (the latter is really nice IMHO) for python -- both available for Linux and Windows -- is Eric: http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/ Werner

Re: development on windows

2009-06-14 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Graham Percival wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 04:44:30PM -0600, Carl D. Sorensen wrote: On 6/13/09 11:39 PM, "Bertalan Fodor" wrote: I'm sure there are tools which would make it easier for us, simple not hackers, but software engineers, grown up on Microsoft Visual Studio end Eclipse. I reme

Re: development on windows

2009-06-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 04:44:30PM -0600, Carl D. Sorensen wrote: > On 6/13/09 11:39 PM, "Bertalan Fodor" wrote: > > > I'm sure there are tools which would make it easier for us, simple not > > hackers, but software engineers, grown up on Microsoft Visual Studio end > > Eclipse. I remember that a

Re: development on windows

2009-06-14 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
gt; > Cc: Tim Wilkinson , lilypond-devel@gnu.org > > Subject: Re: development on windows > > > > > On 6/13/09 8:43 AM, "Bertalan Fodor" wrote: > >> What tools can be used to develop? To debug, browse the source, etc? > > Compiling: gcc

Re: development on windows

2009-06-13 Thread Bertalan Fodor
- Original message From: Carl D. Sorensen Sent: 13 Jun 2009 20:15 -06:00 To: Bertalan Fodor , Jonathan Kulp Cc: Tim Wilkinson , lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: development on windows On 6/13/09 8:43 AM, "Bertalan Fodor" wrote: > What tools can be used to develo

Re: development on windows

2009-06-13 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 6/13/09 8:43 AM, "Bertalan Fodor" wrote: > What tools can be used to develop? To debug, browse the source, etc? Compiling: gcc Debugging: gdb Guile/Scheme testing: guile Browse the source: more, vi Search the source: git grep HTH, Carl ___ l

Re: development on windows

2009-06-13 Thread Bertalan Fodor
What tools can be used to develop? To debug, browse the source, etc? ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: development on windows

2009-06-12 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > Bert, if you send me ftp login info privately I can upload it to your > server. Maybe I can do it at the office in evening hours and it'll go a lot > faster. I only have 256K upload speed at home. :( > > > The .iso is finished uploading an

Re: development on windows

2009-06-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:02:22PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Carl D. Sorensen wrote: >> Why not make a shell script that gets the lilypond source code, and make >> that part of your distribution? > > I'd thought of that but I don't yet know how to make a file appear in a > user's home director

Re: development on windows

2009-06-12 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Carl D. Sorensen wrote: After making the .iso I tested it in Sun VirtualBox OSE and everything worked perfectly. Here are the exact steps I followed (see if you think they're noob-friendly enough): 1. Install the OS in VirtualBox, then restart the virtual machine and log in 2. open a terminal

Re: development on windows

2009-06-12 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 6/11/09 4:50 PM, "Jonathan Kulp" wrote: > Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: >>> >> The goal of this iso to make it usable on a virtualization tool. The >> open source Sun VirtualBox can for example mount this as the virtual >> hard disk. >>> Once it's ready maybe I can create a to

Re: development on windows

2009-06-12 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 05:50:15PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > > Success! Ok here's what I have: > > > > > > lilybuntu.iso (717 MB) > > > > And what's that when you gzip or bzip2 it? This could potentially > > cut t

Re: development on windows

2009-06-11 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Graham Percival wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 05:50:15PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: Success! Ok here's what I have: lilybuntu.iso (717 MB) And what's that when you gzip or bzip2 it? This could potentially cut the network transfer by more than half. Cheers, - Graham I did bzip2 without

Re: development on windows

2009-06-11 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Graham Percival wrote: > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 05:50:15PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > Success! Ok here's what I have: > > > > lilybuntu.iso (717 MB) > > And what's that when you gzip or bzip2 it? This could potentially > cut the network transfer by more than half

Re: development on windows

2009-06-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 05:50:15PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Success! Ok here's what I have: > > lilybuntu.iso (717 MB) And what's that when you gzip or bzip2 it? This could potentially cut the network transfer by more than half. Cheers, - Graham __

Re: development on windows

2009-06-11 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: The goal of this iso to make it usable on a virtualization tool. The open source Sun VirtualBox can for example mount this as the virtual hard disk. Once it's ready maybe I can create a torrent? I've never done that before but it's probably the best way

Re: development on windows

2009-06-11 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) < lilypondt...@organum.hu> wrote: > > >> >>> Tim, have you used VMware before? This should allow you to >>> compile LilyPond inside a virtual machine. I'm not certain what >>> the best way is to transfer the iso from Jonathan to you,

Re: development on windows

2009-06-11 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Tim, have you used VMware before? This should allow you to compile LilyPond inside a virtual machine. I'm not certain what the best way is to transfer the iso from Jonathan to you, though. The goal of this iso to make it usable on a virtualization tool. The open source Sun VirtualBox ca

Re: development on windows

2009-06-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 07:52:13PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> Tim, have you used VMware before? This should allow you to >> compile LilyPond inside a virtual machine. I'm not certain what >> the best way is to transfer the iso from Jonathan to you, though. > > Once it

Re: development on windows

2009-06-10 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Graham Percival wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 05:20:55PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: Thanks Graham. There was a ton of stuff owned by root in the lybook-db/ directory. I tried your command to xarg rm -rf but it said permission denied (even though I did it as sudo and typed the password). Oh y

Re: development on windows

2009-06-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 05:20:55PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Thanks Graham. There was a ton of stuff owned by root in the lybook-db/ > directory. I tried your command to xarg rm -rf but it said permission denied > (even though I did it as sudo and typed the password). Oh yeah... IIRC if you do

Re: development on windows

2009-06-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 10:43:56PM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: > > Err... "GUB" stands for "Grand Unified Binary".  It was a play on > > the GUT (Grand Unified Theory) of physics. > > Interesting. So did the name evolve over time? Now

Re: development on windows

2009-06-07 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op zondag 07-06-2009 om 07:46 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Francisco Vila: > whete BTW it also says > >bin/gub - the Gub Universal Builder this is just the one build script. I/we needed an U to make the name bin/gub here ; possibly that's misleading. I had the idea of adding

Re: development on windows

2009-06-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Patrick McCarty wrote Sunday, June 07, 2009 6:43 AM On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Graham Percival wrote: On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 01:23:22AM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Francisco Vila a écrit : 2009/6/6 Graham Percival : Err... by "run GUB", I mean "generate sheet music using the downlo

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/6/7 Patrick McCarty : > Interesting. So did the name evolve over time? Now it appears to be > called the Grand Unified Builder: > > http://lilypond.org/gub/ > > -Patrick see also http://github.com/janneke/gub or http://lilypond.org/~janneke/vc/gub.git/ -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/6/7 Graham Percival : > Err... "GUB" stands for "Grand Unified Binary". It was a play on > the GUT (Grand Unified Theory) of physics. > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=GUB&submit=Search!&idxname=lilypond-devel&max=10&result=normal&sort=date%3Aearly > > Cheers, > - Graham

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 01:23:22AM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: >> Francisco Vila a écrit : >>> 2009/6/6 Graham Percival : >>> Err... by "run GUB", I mean "generate sheet music using the downloaded .exe". >>> >>> GUB is the builder,

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 01:23:22AM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: > Francisco Vila a écrit : >> 2009/6/6 Graham Percival : >> >>> Err... by "run GUB", I mean "generate sheet music using the >>> downloaded .exe". >> >> GUB is the builder, and it builds the released binaries. You run the >> builder

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread John Mandereau
Francisco Vila a écrit : 2009/6/6 Graham Percival : Err... by "run GUB", I mean "generate sheet music using the downloaded .exe". GUB is the builder, and it builds the released binaries. You run the builder or the released binary. I propose to call things by their names. Agreed. We

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:18 AM On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Graham Percival wrote Friday, June 05, 2009 11:19 AM There's a surprising amount of interest in contributing to LilyPond from Windows machines. (err, I mean, from people

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Paul Scott
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: - does anybody feel like making cygwin packages for the missing software? Well, for some time I used to be the cygwin maintainer of lilypond. Was quite nightmare. - does anybody have VMware (commercial version) and feel like making a small Linux ins

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/6/6 Graham Percival : > Err... by "run GUB", I mean "generate sheet music using the > downloaded .exe". GUB is the builder, and it builds the released binaries. You run the builder or the released binary. I propose to call things by their names. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.pacone

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Graham Percival wrote Friday, June 05, 2009 11:19 AM > >> There's a surprising amount of interest in contributing to >> LilyPond from Windows machines. (err, I mean, from people *with* >> Windows machines, not from the actual mach

Re: development on windows

2009-06-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Friday, June 05, 2009 11:19 AM There's a surprising amount of interest in contributing to LilyPond from Windows machines. (err, I mean, from people *with* Windows machines, not from the actual machines themselves) As I understand it, people with Windows can: - run GUB

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread John Mandereau
Jonathan Kulp a écrit : What I don't understand is how the permissions got jacked up in the first place. I didn't do anything different this time than I usually do. I've never had the permissions problem before. Maybe I put a "sudo" in there inadvertently but I don't recall doing any sudos unt

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 01:11:35PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > Reading music-glossary.tely... > > Dissecting... > > lilypond-book.py (GNU LilyPond) 2.13.1 > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "../../scripts/lilypond-book.py"

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 01:11:35PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Reading music-glossary.tely... > Dissecting... > lilypond-book.py (GNU LilyPond) 2.13.1 > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "../../scripts/lilypond-book.py", line 2108, in > main () > File "../../scripts/lilypond-book

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Jonathan Kulp
I've done a fresh Ubuntu install on my 2nd partition so I can create this lily-dev remix. Lilypond built successfully but the user documentation is failing very early in the process. The CG built correctly, but none of the stuff in user/ is building. Can anyone see what the problem is from this er

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Jonathan Kulp wrote: under 700MB to fit on a CD. I would go with Debian but the tool "remastersys" is specifically made for doing Ubuntu remixes and I'm not sure it would work with straight Debian. I was wrong about this. It's for Debian or Ubuntu. I can do Debian if you think it's bette

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
As we are looking for windows-experienced developers I really think that the ubuntu way would be better, it is easier for us windowsers. If you guys think it would be useful then I'll have a go at it. I think I can remaster xubuntu with all the Lilypond build tools and get it under 700MB to

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Graham Percival wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 06:44:27AM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: Jonathan Kulp wrote: Can't all of the tools be installed from inside the virtual machine? Yes, but since window users will already be faced with an unfamiliar environment, we might as well set up the build

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 06:44:27AM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Jonathan Kulp wrote: >> Can't all of the tools be installed from inside the virtual machine? Yes, but since window users will already be faced with an unfamiliar environment, we might as well set up the build system for them. **IF

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
BTW, having said all of this, I actually have an .iso of my own remix of xubuntu that has all of the Lilypond build tools installed already. It's kind of big, about 1.1GB, so it either has to go on a DVD or it can be used as an .iso to install it in a virtual machine. I used a tool called "re

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Jonathan Kulp wrote: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: VirtualBox is Open Source and runs on Linux hosts, so I would recommend this. Creating an OS that can be used is a matter of creating a disk image. One approach is to install ubuntu on the virtual machine, then install the additional t

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Jonathan Kulp wrote: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: VirtualBox is Open Source and runs on Linux hosts, so I would recommend this. Creating an OS that can be used is a matter of creating a disk image. One approach is to install ubuntu on the virtual machine, then install the additional t

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: VirtualBox is Open Source and runs on Linux hosts, so I would recommend this. Creating an OS that can be used is a matter of creating a disk image. One approach is to install ubuntu on the virtual machine, then install the additional tools, and share the re

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
VirtualBox is Open Source and runs on Linux hosts, so I would recommend this. Creating an OS that can be used is a matter of creating a disk image. One approach is to install ubuntu on the virtual machine, then install the additional tools, and share the resulting virtual disk. Bert Graham P

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:41PM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: > >> - does anybody have VMware (commercial version) and feel like >> making a small Linux installation which has all the required >> software? Potential contributors would be able to run this >> in the free VMwar

Re: development on windows

2009-06-05 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
- does anybody feel like making cygwin packages for the missing software? Well, for some time I used to be the cygwin maintainer of lilypond. Was quite nightmare. - does anybody have VMware (commercial version) and feel like making a small Linux installation which has all the required