On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 05:31:31PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
For hyphenation, there exists the libhyphen library (used e.g. in
OpenOffice).
It implements the original hyphenation algorithm of TeX with
extensions (I don't know what those are), but it does not have the rules
for hyphenating
Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org writes:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 05:31:31PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
For hyphenation, there exists the libhyphen library (used e.g. in
OpenOffice).
It implements the original hyphenation algorithm of TeX with
extensions (I don't know
Now, what is better between '--' and '\-': '--' stands for an en
dash in many languages. I proposed to use it in the list of special
characters I just pushed, but we decided to use ndash; instead,
because '--' already stands for hyphenation in the lyrics. As Janek
said, if we want to make
2011/9/28 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org
If at all, please use a more decent, *single* character instead of
`--'. What about `='? Not that I'm very happy with it, but... Then
we could also add `|' to inhibit ligatures (which is quite important
in German):
Auf|lagen=steigerung
Very good
Am Mittwoch, 28. September 2011, 13:34:01 schrieb Bertrand Bordage:
2011/9/28 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org
If at all, please use a more decent, *single* character instead of
`--'. What about `='? Not that I'm very happy with it, but... Then
we could also add `|' to inhibit ligatures
2011/9/28 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org:
I really, really dislike `--' within a textual environment. Remember
that you aren't going to enter such a soft hyphen character very often
since it is necessary only in the cases where (yet-to-be-implemented)
automatic hyphenation fails or gives
I use both | and = regularly in markup. [...]
Ah, OK.
I like the \- (without whitespace) most, as this is also LaTeX' s
way to allow (but not force) a line break.
BTW, in analogy to LaTeX's german.sty, the following would be useful
also:
\ a zero-width breakpoint not causing a hyphen,
If i understood correctly (user can type '--' in his file and than
search-and-replace it to '\-' ), that's anti-usability and
anti-userfrindliness at it's best.
Hehe. No comment :-)
I will keep repeating (sorry): better change lyric hyphen command
than use different commands for lyric
It would be awesome if LilyPond had many of the functionalities of
LaTeX, but it'd be a pity if we spent developer time implementing a
host of LaTeX-like functionality from scratch when LaTeX already
exists.
Well, we don't want to imitate LaTeX, but naturally the same problem
appears, namely
On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
It would be awesome if LilyPond had many of the functionalities of
LaTeX, but it'd be a pity if we spent developer time implementing a
host of LaTeX-like functionality from scratch when LaTeX already
exists.
Well, we don't want to
On Sep 28, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
If i understood correctly (user can type '--' in his file and than
search-and-replace it to '\-' ), that's anti-usability and
anti-userfrindliness at it's best.
Hehe. No comment :-)
I will keep repeating (sorry): better change lyric
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes:
If i understood correctly (user can type '--' in his file and than
search-and-replace it to '\-' ), that's anti-usability and
anti-userfrindliness at it's best.
Hehe. No comment :-)
I will keep repeating (sorry): better change lyric hyphen command
than
@Dak: Yes, that would be perfect if everything could be defined so easily.
I guess this still requires a lot of work on the parser (yours are awesome,
besides!).
@Mike: Using pango and libhyphen would definitely be better. I'm therefore
waiting for our « coding par-tay!!1 »!
Bertrand
Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com writes:
@Dak: Yes, that would be perfect if everything could be defined so
easily. I guess this still requires a lot of work on the parser
I don't think so. It is the lexer that would need change, and not all
that much. You'd have to define music
2011/9/24 Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com:
2011/9/23 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
Hi Bertrand,
2011/9/23 Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com:
* making a system that allows to specify where a word is breakable (like
\-
in LaTeX);
I vote for this because it
This would require some work on the parser/lexer, but I think it is possible
to do.
The example you wrote seems a bit messy to me. It is better to keep the
lyricmode:
someText = lyricmode { some4 de8 -- mon16 -- stra -- tion4 text, hoo -- ray!
}
\markup \someText
\new Lyrics \someText
I don't
I worked on this yesterday. I chose '--' instead of '\-'. The
result is great (see attached).
Mhmm. Normally, in plain text, even in non-TeX related contexts, `--'
means an en-dash or em-dash. I *much* prefer `\-'.
Maybe it could work like -- in lyrics? I mean, it would be nice to
be
2011/9/25 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org:
I worked on this yesterday. I chose '--' instead of '\-'. The
result is great (see attached).
Mhmm. Normally, in plain text, even in non-TeX related contexts, `--'
means an en-dash or em-dash. I *much* prefer `\-'.
Maybe it could work like -- in
I don't like it, since it is extremely unnatural to me if applied
to longer texts. Instead, I would prefer a simple Scheme function
which converts `foo -- bar' into `foo\-bar' if desired.
I'd prefer changing lyric hyphen command from -- to \- instead of
creating such dichotomy.
Hmm. Not
2011/9/25 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org:
Think about new users, they would be confused by this. We should
never make things more complicated than they must be, Lily is
already too messy.
Actually, we don't *need* `\-' at all since Unicode already provides
characters to control hyphenation:
2011/9/25 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org
Actually, we don't *need* `\-' at all since Unicode already provides
characters to control hyphenation:
00ADSOFT HYPHEN
2010HYPHEN
2011NON-BREAKING HYPHEN
Bertrand, does your code work support them?
Here is how it works for the
2011/9/23 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
Hi Bertrand,
2011/9/23 Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com:
* making a system that allows to specify where a word is breakable (like
\-
in LaTeX);
I vote for this because it seems most multi-language friendly. I.e.,
implementing
Hello,
2011/9/24 Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com:
2011/9/23 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
Hi Bertrand,
2011/9/23 Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com:
* making a system that allows to specify where a word is breakable (like
\-
in LaTeX);
I vote for this
Peekay wrote Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:22 PM
2011/9/24 Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com:
I worked on this yesterday. I chose '--' instead of '\-'. The
result is
great (see attached).
Hmm... breaking a 4 letter word into two over two lines?
Splitting père is even worse -
2011/9/24 Peekay Ex pkx1...@gmail.com
Hmm... breaking a 4 letter word into two over two lines?
The typesetter in me cringes slightly.
Indeed, global rules would be great for absent-minded people like me...
@Trevor : Yes, this was only a manual demonstration.
Bertrand
Hi Bertrand,
2011/9/23 Bertrand Bordage bordage.bertr...@gmail.com:
Hi everyone,
I started working on automatic hyphenation (see the attached PDF).
I rewrote wordwrap-stencils into a wordwrap-markups and it works great, but
I do have a question before continuing.
Do you think I should start
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