Re: Bar lines in mensural notation (request for interpretation)

2023-04-18 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> [...] This is what I've drawn out: When notating a chant, anyone who > places full-height single or double lines anywhere but the end of a > phrase is a sheep, a klutz, and an ignoramus. :-) > My main doubt is whether this restriction is limited to church > music. I hope to understand whethe

Bar lines in mensural notation (request for interpretation)

2023-04-18 Thread Dan Eble
Everything I know about 16th-Century Italian I learned from 20th-Century Spanish. I hope that someone here is able and willing to check my guesses about this. The following text seems to follow an introduction to mensural rests, and it surrounds a figure of a single bar line and a double bar l

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-03-01 Thread Lukas Pietsch
PATCH 5/5] Support for flagged semiminims in mensural notation. New grob property "hollow-duration-min" to set the cutoff level between hollow and black notes, and corresponding behavior of flags/beams. --- input/regression/flagged-seminimim.ly | 42 +++ li

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-03-01 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: >> If it's too much trouble, I guess it might be preferable to drop the >> idea with the boolean values again, as it isn't really that crucial >> for the intended functionality anyway. > > This is OK with me. I only wonder whether it's better to follow > David K's advice t

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-03-01 Thread David Kastrup
Lukas Pietsch writes: > Lukas Pietsch freenet.de> writes: > >> Enclosing a reworked patch for review, with the property renamed and the >> new semantics as discussed. > > Sorry, please ignore this one, there were still errors in it. Another > question: is there a handy type predicate to declare

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-03-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> If it's too much trouble, I guess it might be preferable to drop the > idea with the boolean values again, as it isn't really that crucial > for the intended functionality anyway. This is OK with me. I only wonder whether it's better to follow David K's advice to use `hollow-duration-log-min'

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-03-01 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Lukas Pietsch freenet.de> writes: > Enclosing a reworked patch for review, with the property renamed and the > new semantics as discussed. Sorry, please ignore this one, there were still errors in it. Another question: is there a handy type predicate to declare a grob property that can take eit

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-03-01 Thread Lukas Pietsch
+0100 Subject: [PATCH 5/5] Support for flagged semiminims in mensural notation. New grob property "hollow-duration-min" to set the cutoff level between hollow and black notes, and corresponding behavior of flags/beams. --- input/regression/flagged-seminimim.ly | 42 +++

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread Dan Eble
On Feb 28, 2015, at 11:34 , David Nalesnik wrote: > "hollow=1" would then be the default for modern notation. minHollowDurationLog would be more descriptive. >>> >>> What an ugly name, but I agree that it is more descriptive than >>> `hollow' and thus probably better. >> >> Should

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread Lukas Pietsch
David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > > Sorry for repeating myself, but this part of my question may have gone > > unnoticed in the thread above. Could I have some advice on this? Should I be > > defining a new interface for specialized mensural-related grob properties? > > Depends on what is affecte

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread David Kastrup
Lukas Pietsch writes: > Lukas Pietsch freenet.de> writes: > >> Another technical question: I found that apparently if I'm going to declare >> these new grob properties in scm/define-grob-properties.scm, I'll also have >> to declare them as part of some interface somewhere else, otherwise I get >

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Lukas Pietsch freenet.de> writes: > Another technical question: I found that apparently if I'm going to declare > these new grob properties in scm/define-grob-properties.scm, I'll also have > to declare them as part of some interface somewhere else, otherwise I get > "cannot find interface for pr

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread David Nalesnik
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Lukas Pietsch wrote: > Werner LEMBERG gnu.org> writes: > > > >> "hollow=1" would then be the default for modern notation. > > > > > > minHollowDurationLog would be more descriptive. > > > > What an ugly name, but I agree that it is more descriptive than > > `hol

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: >>> "hollow=1" would then be the default for modern notation. >> >> minHollowDurationLog would be more descriptive. > > What an ugly name, but I agree that it is more descriptive than > `hollow' and thus probably better. I'd put min last. Sorts better, sounds better. ho

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Werner LEMBERG gnu.org> writes: > >> "hollow=1" would then be the default for modern notation. > > > > minHollowDurationLog would be more descriptive. > > What an ugly name, but I agree that it is more descriptive than > `hollow' and thus probably better. Shouldn't grob properties be spelled w

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> "hollow=1" would then be the default for modern notation. > > minHollowDurationLog would be more descriptive. What an ugly name, but I agree that it is more descriptive than `hollow' and thus probably better. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread Dan Eble
On Feb 28, 2015, at 09:55 , Lukas Pietsch wrote: > I'm still not quite sure what you would expect the semantics to be. If we > keep it as a numeric property, but call it "hollow" rather than something > involving "black", we'll first of all have to redefine it: not "duration > beyond which notes

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> Ah, ok. On the other hand, having the possibility to say >> >> \override NoteHead.hollow = ##t >> >> to always enforce hollow noteheads makes probably sense, too. > > I'm still not quite sure what you would expect the semantics to be. I'm poking with a stick in the dark :-) In this very cas

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-28 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Werner LEMBERG gnu.org> writes: > > > >> Well, accepting a bool is not a bad idea. For example, > >> > >> \override NoteHead.hollow = ##f > >> > >> could undo > >> > >> \override NoteHead.hollow = #2 > > > > #f is accepted for all properties anyway. #t isn't by default, however. > > Ah,

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-27 Thread Benkő Pál
>> as far as I know when flagged notes with hollow heads are used, they are >> used exclusively, i.e. there are no black notes at all (more precisely, all >> black notes count as notae coloratae, which is a separate notehead style >> anyway, and from duration point of view they behave just as their

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-27 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> Well, accepting a bool is not a bad idea. For example, >> >> \override NoteHead.hollow = ##f >> >> could undo >> >> \override NoteHead.hollow = #2 > > #f is accepted for all properties anyway. #t isn't by default, however. Ah, ok. On the other hand, having the possibility to say \ov

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-27 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: >>> I'm not happy about the parameter name `mensural-blacklevel'. What >>> about simply `hollow'? >> >> No problem about renaming it, as far as I'm concerned, but wouldn't "hollow" >> imply a simple boolean switch, rather than a numeric scale? > > Well, accepting a bool i

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-27 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> I'm not happy about the parameter name `mensural-blacklevel'. What >> about simply `hollow'? > > No problem about renaming it, as far as I'm concerned, but wouldn't "hollow" > imply a simple boolean switch, rather than a numeric scale? Well, accepting a bool is not a bad idea. For example,

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-27 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Benkő Pál gmail.com> writes: > > as far as I know when flagged notes with hollow heads are used, they are > used exclusively, i.e. there are no black notes at all (more precisely, all > black notes count as notae coloratae, which is a separate notehead style > anyway, and from duration point of

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-27 Thread Benkő Pál
hello Lukas, > here's my next portion of patches for the extended mensural notation support > I mentioned the other day. This bit is to get full support for the various > options relating to black and hollow (unflagged and flagged) small note > values (crotchets and below)

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-27 Thread David Kastrup
Lukas Pietsch writes: > Werner LEMBERG gnu.org> writes: > >> >> I'm not happy about the parameter name `mensural-blacklevel'. What >> about simply `hollow'? > > No problem about renaming it, as far as I'm concerned, but wouldn't "hollow" > imply a simple boolean switch, rather than a numeric s

Re: [PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> here's my next portion of patches for the extended mensural notation > support I mentioned the other day. I'm not happy about the parameter name `mensural-blacklevel'. What about simply `hollow'? Werner ___ l

[PATCH] support for flagged crotchets in mensural notation

2015-02-26 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Hello list, here's my next portion of patches for the extended mensural notation support I mentioned the other day. This bit is to get full support for the various options relating to black and hollow (unflagged and flagged) small note values (crotchets and below), as discussed in sectio

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-25 Thread James Lowe
Lukas On 25/02/15 17:11, Lukas Pietsch wrote: > David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: >> >> Developing the first patches does not require write access: the >> development process in Git is primarily a local one. If there is >> consent that Rietveld is not useful for looking at incremental patches >> (I

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-25 Thread David Kastrup
Lukas Pietsch writes: >> On 24/02/15 07:38, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> >>> To simplify the process, I suggest that you get write access to the >> >>> lilypond git repository so that you can add such incremental >> >>> patches to one or more separate branches (I like this method >> >>> bettern than

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-25 Thread Lukas Pietsch
> On 24/02/15 07:38, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >>> To simplify the process, I suggest that you get write access to the > >>> lilypond git repository so that you can add such incremental > >>> patches to one or more separate branches (I like this method > >>> bettern than the `modern' way of forking l

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-25 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Joram Berger" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support - How easy would is it to reuse the musical content of an ancient staff in a modern staff to show a modern equivalent? This

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-24 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Joram Berger gmx.de> writes: > once again, I am no expert on ancient notation. So I don't know whether the > length of the stems in your renaissance style are required to be exactly as long > as they are now. They roughly end in the middle of a staff space for notes on > this position and on a st

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-24 Thread James Lowe
Lukas, On 24/02/15 07:38, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >>> To simplify the process, I suggest that you get write access to the >>> lilypond git repository so that you can add such incremental >>> patches to one or more separate branches (I like this method >>> bettern than the `modern' way of forking lil

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> To simplify the process, I suggest that you get write access to the >> lilypond git repository so that you can add such incremental >> patches to one or more separate branches (I like this method >> bettern than the `modern' way of forking lilypond at github, then >> followed by push requests) –

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-23 Thread Joram Berger
Hi Lukas, once again, I am no expert on ancient notation. So I don't know whether the length of the stems in your renaissance style are required to be exactly as long as they are now. They roughly end in the middle of a staff space for notes on this position and on a staff line for notes on a staf

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-23 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Werner LEMBERG gnu.org> writes: > No. Not a patch, but a series of patches, adding the stuff in small, > incremental steps that are easy to review. I'm willing to proof-read > all changes to the Metafont sources. > > To simplify the process, I suggest that you get write access to the > lilyp

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-23 Thread David Kastrup
just enhance > the coverage of standard features of mensural notation: an improved > glyph set for mainstream white notation, support for mainstream black > notation, a consistent and user-friendly set of commands for such > things as perfect/imperfect meters, rests, coloration and so on

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-23 Thread Lukas Pietsch
7;s a matter of how best to make the basic Lilypond system most efficiently extendable. I'd like to think of what I'm proposing as a thing with two layers. There is a set of core functional extensions that will just enhance the coverage of standard features of mensural notation: an improved glyph

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>>I have a working draft of the Lilypond coding, which involves quite >>a bit of Scheme code, a patched Lilypond font with a section of new >>proposed glyphs, and a few minor patches to Lilypond's C++ codebase. >>Unfortunately, owing to the latter, the whole system currently works >>only with a pa

Re: Draft: Extended mensural notation support

2015-02-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
do so. Wow -- this seems like a tremendous amount of work! I'm basically ignorant of mensural notation, but this seems like a great advance. I think it should be implemented in LilyPond. And I think that the things you have found in LilyPond that are inconsistent with best practices (e

Re: Black mensural notation in current Lilypond

2014-03-01 Thread lpietsch
s going to present a new draft of it to the community some time during the next months. Michael, if you want to see the current state of it, please feel free to contact me privately. Lukas -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Black-mensural-notation-in-curren

Re: Black mensural notation in current Lilypond

2014-02-28 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "MIchael McClimon" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:08 PM Subject: Black mensural notation in current Lilypond (First of all, I'm not subscribed to this list, so I'd appreciate it if you copied me at mich...@mcclimon.org on re

Black mensural notation in current Lilypond

2014-02-28 Thread MIchael McClimon
(First of all, I'm not subscribed to this list, so I'd appreciate it if you copied me at mich...@mcclimon.org on replies to this.) In the past, I've used Lukas Pietsch's Black Mensural plugin (http://www.lukas-pietsch.de/Music/blackmensural.ly) to set black mensural notation.

Re: lilypond mensural notation

2011-03-11 Thread Marek Klein
Hello, 2011/3/10 Carl Sorensen > > If you could get a closer shot of the desired clefs, I'd be happy to have a > discussion with you about how much you're willing to pay for the clefs. > > Here it is: http://gregoriana.sk/gg/wp-content/uploads/c-clef1.png http://gregoriana.sk/gg/wp-content/uploa

Re: lilypond mensural notation

2011-03-10 Thread Benkő Pál
>>> Could I ask you for other improvement? I need two new mensural clef glyphs, >>> which you can see in this picture: >>> http://gregoriana.sk/gg/wp-content/uploads/p1020924.png >>> The G and C clefs are what I am interested in. >>> >>> If you could do it, I can offer you to pay for it. Would it b

Re: lilypond mensural notation

2011-03-10 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 3/10/11 10:39 AM, "Benkő Pál" wrote: > Dear Mr Klein, > > forwarding your request to the development community. > >> Could I ask you for other improvement? I need two new mensural clef glyphs, >> which you can see in this picture: >> http://gregoriana.sk/gg/wp-content/uploads/p1020924.png >

Re: lilypond mensural notation

2011-03-10 Thread Benkő Pál
Dear Mr Klein, forwarding your request to the development community. > Could I ask you for other improvement? I need two new mensural clef glyphs, > which you can see in this picture: > http://gregoriana.sk/gg/wp-content/uploads/p1020924.png > The G and C clefs are what I am interested in. > > If

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/24/11 3:31 PM, "Benkő Pál" wrote: >>> please advise me about regression tests: can I modify ligatures within >>> mensural-ligatures.ly?  if not, can I add new ones to the same file? >> >> Ancient music has been abandoned by developers for a number of years. >> IMO, you may do whatever you t

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-24 Thread Carl . D . Sorensen
On 2011/01/24 21:27:35, benko.pal wrote: new patchset up. please advise me about regression tests: can I modify ligatures within mensural-ligatures.ly? if not, can I add new ones to the same file? Ancient music has been abandoned by developers for a number of years. IMO, you may do whatever

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-24 Thread Benkő Pál
>> please advise me about regression tests: can I modify ligatures within >> mensural-ligatures.ly?  if not, can I add new ones to the same file? > > Ancient music has been abandoned by developers for a number of years. > IMO, you may do whatever you think makes the most sense as you try to > bring

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-24 Thread benko . pal
new patchset up. please advise me about regression tests: can I modify ligatures within mensural-ligatures.ly? if not, can I add new ones to the same file? http://codereview.appspot.com/3797046/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-24 Thread Benkő Pál
now I see I forgot to answer a question: > http://codereview.appspot.com/3797046/diff/1/lily/mensural-ligature-engraver.cc#newcode380 > lily/mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:380: { > Why put the {} in this case? because variables defined there should not be seen in the default case. p

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-24 Thread Benkő Pál
hi Carl, thanks for reviewing! > Let me start by saying I know *nothing* about mensural notation. > > The code looks good to me. > > I found only one real issue: > > LilyPond coding standards for C++ say that if there is only one > statement in an if clause, we omit {} aro

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-23 Thread Carl . D . Sorensen
Let me start by saying I know *nothing* about mensural notation. The code looks good to me. I found only one real issue: LilyPond coding standards for C++ say that if there is only one statement in an if clause, we omit {} around that clause. I also had a question (and it probably doesn&#

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/23/11 6:20 AM, "Boris Shingarov" wrote: > This looks like Issue 1098. That one was closed due to lack of > reproducible scenario: my scores, too, were crashing Lilypond after > growing above a certain size, but just like in your case, I can not > reproduce it with a simple \repeat. Please

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-23 Thread Boris Shingarov
This looks like Issue 1098. That one was closed due to lack of reproducible scenario: my scores, too, were crashing Lilypond after growing above a certain size, but just like in your case, I can not reproduce it with a simple \repeat. On 11-01-16 12:57 PM, Benkő Pál wrote: following up mysel

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-16 Thread Benkő Pál
following up myself: [ after complaining about my large scores ] >> This seems to work (at least, the regtests are OK and it doesn't >> appear to break the interaction between page-count and >> systems-per-page): > [...] >> I don't know why, though. :) > > it works for me in the sense that there'

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-08 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Karl" == Karl Hammar writes: Karl> On line 22 in the ly-file: Karl> %% Accidentals are valid only once (same as Karl> Shouldn't the accidental be valid for the next note and any same Karl> repeted note, this has bothered me with the current white mesural Karl>

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Neil Puttock
On 7 January 2011 14:00, Lukas Pietsch wrote: > Thanks a lot! As for the warnings, I too was getting the "cannot align > on self: empty element" ones, and found no way of getting rid of them. They're caused by the following lines: \override Score.BarLine #'stencil = #empty-stencil \override

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Benkő Pál
> This seems to work (at least, the regtests are OK and it doesn't > appear to break the interaction between page-count and > systems-per-page): [...] > I don't know why, though. :) it works for me in the sense that there's no memory problem, but doesn't work in the sense that now I get an overflo

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Neil Puttock
On 7 January 2011 20:33, Neil Puttock wrote: > On 7 January 2011 20:27, Benkő Pál wrote: > >> it may be related to Joe's recent patch 777066 about page >> breaking. I can't compile my larger scores, it stops at the >> same message and memory usage goes to the skies.  I wanted >> to investigate it

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Neil Puttock
On 7 January 2011 20:27, Benkő Pál wrote: > it may be related to Joe's recent patch 777066 about page > breaking. I can't compile my larger scores, it stops at the > same message and memory usage goes to the skies.  I wanted > to investigate it a bit more, but if anybody beats me... I'm looking

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Benkő Pál
> Windows 2.13.44 also works fine here, though I can't say the same for 2.13.45: > > Preprocessing graphical objects... > Finding the ideal number of pages... > Fitting music on 1 or 2 pages... > This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. > Please contact the appl

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Neil Puttock
On 7 January 2011 18:40, James Lowe wrote: > I ran it on Windows 2.13.44 (not 45 as I first said) and it took a few > seconds to complile and roughly 150Mb. Windows 2.13.44 also works fine here, though I can't say the same for 2.13.45: Preprocessing graphical objects... Finding the ideal numbe

RE: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread James Lowe
: Re: Black mensural notation On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 17:50 +, Neil Puttock wrote: > On 7 January 2011 02:50, Andrew Hawryluk wrote: > > I tried running it on a current development snapshot this week, but it > > didn't have enough memory to run nicely and bogged down my co

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Lukas Pietsch
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 17:50 +, Neil Puttock wrote: > On 7 January 2011 02:50, Andrew Hawryluk wrote: > > I tried running it on a current development snapshot this week, but it > > didn't have enough memory to run nicely and bogged down my computer > > with swap traffic (I've got 2 MB here). I

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Neil Puttock
On 7 January 2011 02:50, Andrew Hawryluk wrote: > I tried running it on a current development snapshot this week, but it > didn't have enough memory to run nicely and bogged down my computer > with swap traffic (I've got 2 MB here). I gave up on it before it > finished. Does it take long to compil

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Benkő Pál
hapes, I have to look very thoroughly through the existing gregorian support and your stuff. What I like best are the Ars subtilior flags; however, that is a part which confuses me quite a bit. In particular, what I've added as coloratio / black mensural notation support is really just the hea

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Lukas Pietsch
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 07:10 -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > > > Thanks a lot! As for the warnings, I too was getting the "cannot align > > on self: empty element" ones, and found no way of getting rid of them. > > Maybe it's something to do with Lilypond not liking the way I removed > > the standa

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Karl Hammar
James Lowe: ... > Lukas (although for some reason I am getting bounces from your email address > so I hope you are reading this on the lists)! Lukas cannot do anything about this except changing mail provider. The mailing list should be fine. You can do something by making sure the sending mail

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/7/11 7:00 AM, "Lukas Pietsch" wrote: > On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 13:08 +, James Lowe wrote: > >> >> I ran this with 2.13.45 and it compiles with some warnings (see >> attached zip of log file). >> >> However, this is wonderful stuff! >> >> Also your PDF is very informative and it woul

RE: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread Lukas Pietsch
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 13:08 +, James Lowe wrote: > > I ran this with 2.13.45 and it compiles with some warnings (see > attached zip of log file). > > However, this is wonderful stuff! > > Also your PDF is very informative and it would be nice to incorporate > this into our own Notation R

RE: Black mensural notation

2011-01-07 Thread James Lowe
: Black mensural notation Lukas (although for some reason I am getting bounces from your email address so I hope you are reading this on the lists)! --- Is anyone else getting 10.mx.freenet.de rejected your message to the following e-mail addresses: Lukas Pietsch (lukas.piet...@freenet.de

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Memering
Am 07.01.2011 10:17, schrieb Benkő Pál: >> Sometimes I have been confused by a punctus divisionis placed in the >> middle above a ligature, but of course that's something different. > > wow, I have never seen such a thing! could you give an example? The only one I could find quickly is from Apel

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-07 Thread Benkő Pál
again, Apel probably saw more sources than I ever will... or me, too. and I learnt mensural notation solely from Apel. > Sometimes I have been confused by a punctus divisionis placed in the > middle above a ligature, but of course that's somethin

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-06 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
I tried running it on a current development snapshot this week, but it didn't have enough memory to run nicely and bogged down my computer with swap traffic (I've got 2 MB here). I gave up on it before it finished. Does it take long to compile the PDF on your system? Andrew On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-06 Thread Robert Memering
Am 06.01.2011 10:56, schrieb Lukas Pietsch: > On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 10:49 +0100, Benkő Pál wrote: > >>> According to Apel (1962: 99), the general rule would seem to be that the dot >>> should be on the right if it applies to the final note of the whole >>> ligature, but on top if it is anywhere el

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-06 Thread Lukas Pietsch
On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 10:49 +0100, Benkő Pál wrote: > > According to Apel (1962: 99), the general rule would seem to be that the dot > > should be on the right if it applies to the final note of the whole > > ligature, but on top if it is anywhere else (flexa or no flexa). He has one > > example o

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-06 Thread Benkő Pál
> > One thing I forgot to mention: I've also rewritten dot handling within > > ligatures. The old code > > - didn't avoid staff lines > > - didn't conform actual usage: dotting notes above is not a practice, > > only if they are first within a flexa, see examples in > > http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-06 Thread Robert Memering
Am 04.01.2011 11:22, schrieb Lukas Pietsch: > Hi, I'm quite new to Lilypond programming, but I thought I'd jump in at what > seemed to me to be pretty much the deep end, and try if I could get black > mensural notation implemented. Here's what I've come up with so fa

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-06 Thread Lukas Pietsch
On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 08:44 +, benko@gmail.com wrote: > One thing I forgot to mention: I've also rewritten dot handling within > ligatures. The old code > - didn't avoid staff lines > - didn't conform actual usage: dotting notes above is not a practice, > only if they are first within a f

Re: mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-06 Thread benko . pal
One thing I forgot to mention: I've also rewritten dot handling within ligatures. The old code - didn't avoid staff lines - didn't conform actual usage: dotting notes above is not a practice, only if they are first within a flexa, see examples in http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsbarb.jpg http:/

mensural notation improvements (issue3797046)

2011-01-05 Thread benko . pal
he ones in codex Chigi, see scans in attachment to http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-12/msg00398.html thanks, p Description: mensural notation improvements - support coloratio (even in ligatures) - more flexible ligatura shapes Please review this at http://codereview.appspot.c

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-04 Thread Lukas Pietsch
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 11:49 +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > Very impressive! Could you try to make it work with the current > development version? The next steps could then be adding the missing > glyph shapes to the lilypond fonts, followed by either writing a new > engraver or modifying/fixing/

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-04 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Karl Hammar aspodata.se> writes: > On line 22 in the ly-file: > > %% Accidentals are valid only once (same as > > Shouldn't the accidental be valid for the next note and any same > repeted note, this has bothered me with the current white mesural > support. E.g. if you say "bes bes bes",

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-04 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Dienstag, 4. Januar 2011, um 12:55:25 schrieb Benkő Pál: > I'll read your docs carefully (my first impression is: it's > absolutely stunning), but in the meantime I want to let you > know that I'm working on white mensural notation, and I've implemented > a preli

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-04 Thread Benkő Pál
hi Lukas, > Hi, I'm quite new to Lilypond programming, but I thought I'd jump in at what > seemed to me to be pretty much the deep end, and try if I could get black > mensural notation implemented. Here's what I've come up with so far: > http://lukas-pietsch.de/Mus

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-04 Thread Karl Hammar
Lukas: > Hi, I'm quite new to Lilypond programming, but I thought I'd jump in at what > seemed to me to be pretty much the deep end, and try if I could get black > mensural notation implemented. Here's what I've come up with so far: > http://lukas-pietsch.de/Mus

Re: Black mensural notation

2011-01-04 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Hi, I'm quite new to Lilypond programming, but I thought I'd jump in > at what seemed to me to be pretty much the deep end, and try if I > could get black mensural notation implemented. Here's what I've > come up with so far: http://lukas-pietsch.de/Music/black

Black mensural notation

2011-01-04 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Hi, I'm quite new to Lilypond programming, but I thought I'd jump in at what seemed to me to be pretty much the deep end, and try if I could get black mensural notation implemented. Here's what I've come up with so far: http://lukas-pietsch.de/Music/blackmensural.ly (sourc

Re: [PATCH] coloratio, black mensural notation

2010-11-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> Especially the `sM2semimensural' in `parmesan20' (which I'm >> currently looking at after applying the patch locally) looks very >> strange, and I've never seen a similar note shape before. But I >> suspect this is my lack of knowledge. > > I'll try to compile a list of online facsimiles. Ye

Re: [PATCH] coloratio, black mensural notation

2010-11-10 Thread Benkő Pál
hi all, > Regarding the quality of the patch: It's just fine.  However, I can't > say anything about the details since my knowledge of mensural notation > is very limited.  Especially the `sM2semimensural' in `parmesan20' > (which I'm currently looking at afte

Re: [PATCH] coloratio, black mensural notation

2010-11-09 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> the attached patch adds noteheads needed for black mensural >> notation (BMN) and coloratio in white mensural notation (WMN). >> >> note that it's just the noteheads: in both BMN and coloratio >> sections in WMN a fourth note looks like a flagged half n

Re: [PATCH] coloratio, black mensural notation

2010-11-09 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Benkő Pál wrote: > hi list, Greetings Pál, [CCing Werner "the glyph guy" Lemberg] > the attached patch adds noteheads needed for black mensural notation (BMN) > and coloratio in white mensural notation (WMN). > > note that it's j

Re: [PATCH] coloratio, black mensural notation

2010-11-09 Thread Benkő Pál
hi Valentin, >> the attached patch adds noteheads needed for black mensural notation (BMN) >> and coloratio in white mensural notation (WMN). >> >> note that it's just the noteheads: in both BMN and coloratio sections >> in WMN a fourth note looks like a flagged

coloratio, black mensural notation

2010-11-08 Thread Benkő Pál
hi list, the attached patch adds noteheads needed for black mensural notation (BMN) and coloratio in white mensural notation (WMN). note that it's just the noteheads: in both BMN and coloratio sections in WMN a fourth note looks like a flagged half note. I could reach this look by the foll

Re: mensural notation

2005-05-09 Thread Juergen Reuter
Applied (in CVS). Greetings, Juergen On Mon, 9 May 2005, Pal Benko wrote: What about the remaining durations (maxima, ...) for petrucci style? I guess, they should be the same as for mensural style? Yes. These as well are quite close but not identical to those found in Petrucci prints; they will d

Re: mensural notation

2005-05-09 Thread Pal Benko
What about the remaining durations (maxima, ...) for petrucci style? I guess, they should be the same as for mensural style? Yes. These as well are quite close but not identical to those found in Petrucci prints; they will do. p ___ lilypond-devel mailin

Re: mensural notation

2005-05-09 Thread Pal Benko
Hi Jürgen, What I do not understand, if you want neo-mensural noteheads, why not just doing "\override Voice.NoteHead #'style = #'neomensural"? As far as I can see, the main difference between neomensural and mensural notehead are (besides the different parameters) that mensural noteheads have diam

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