Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Kees van den Doel
Of course there is nothing really wrong with the current website. Most people will want to just download lilypond and try it out; who has time to read all the crap on a product's website? Once they've clicked on the downloaded icon on their screen something reasonable should happen. Kees -

Re: restraining lilypond

2009-12-18 Thread -Eluze
Hugh Myers wrote: I had expected each page to begin in the same location. They don't. Why? What may be done to restrain lilypond? i just run it with version 2.12.3 where it seems okay to me. then i added a new page (with version 2.13.9) and it seems that only the last page is affected -

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: No.  The alternate input page is extremely easy to find. With all due respect, you may be missing the point here. Bertalan's suggestion, as I read it, wasn't so much about the website presentation than the program

Re: Lilypond Right to Left

2009-12-18 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com wrote: I was unable to get the suggested font working correctly, but your feature request is now on the issue tracker: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=937 Wow, thank you for digging up that one. Cheers,

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread David Kastrup
Kees van den Doel kvand...@shaw.ca writes: Of course there is nothing really wrong with the current website. Most people will want to just download lilypond and try it out; who has time to read all the crap on a product's website? Once they've clicked on the downloaded icon on their screen

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread -Eluze
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development on this page clicking *Manuals* in the top note leads to the 2.12.2 manuals, whereas clicking *download* goes to the 2.13.9 downloads. -- View this

I want to *force* spacing

2009-12-18 Thread Fredrik Carlén
Hi! I want to make a sheet that has the approximate look of the (among dummers) classic Stick Control by G.L. Stone. This book has you practising combinations of right hand strokes and left hand strokes, like so: RLRR LRLL. My problem is that if I just write out the row of combinations and notes

Re: I want to *force* spacing

2009-12-18 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
2009/12/18 Fredrik Carlén norderg...@gmail.com: (without \skip) | RLRRLRLL | (with skip) |RLRR LRL|L . SkipMusic and SkipEvent are fillers that take up duration as per the page http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/SkipMusic#SkipMusic . I suppose I'd like a filler

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 09:34:26AM +0100, Valentin Villenave wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: No.  The alternate input page is extremely easy to find. With all due respect, you may be missing the point here. I haven't missed the point.

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Federico Bruni
Il 18/12/2009 00:57, Graham Percival ha scritto: Pretend that you've never heard of lilypond. Does the webpage answer the questions, or present the information, that you wanted to know before you got involved? http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/index.html Here:

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/18 Federico Bruni brunol...@gmx.com: Il 18/12/2009 00:57, Graham Percival ha scritto: Pretend that you've never heard of lilypond.  Does the webpage answer the questions, or present the information, that you wanted to know before you got involved?

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you can suggest an improvement, especially in the Introduction pages, please do. LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are listed under Alternate Input. Since this link is to the right of Text Input, the implication

Re: clarinet tab?

2009-12-18 Thread Gilles THIBAULT
I found one big clue to the problem: findfont fails trying to find some Japanese font or something. A postscript file is produced without errors, but ps2pdf fails with findfont. I have to run: ps2pdf -dNOSAFER file.ly to produce the pdf. Does anybody know anything more about this issue? Does

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 09:59:17AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Kees van den Doel kvand...@shaw.ca writes: Of course there is nothing really wrong with the current website. Most people will want to just download lilypond and try it out; who has time to read all the crap on a product's

Re: clarinet tab?

2009-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:41:00AM +0100, Gilles THIBAULT wrote: Does anybody know anything more about this issue? Does some piece of software need an upgrade? Well, i have never understood why the LSR cannot compile the snippet ( http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=615 ) . I supposed that

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/18 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: I'm willing to change the name, but I'm not convinced that any of thsoe are more attractive than alternate input.  More to the point, the bottom of text input tries to direct people there, with the easier editing environments stuff. Hmm,

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 01:00:57AM -0800, -Eluze wrote: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development on this page clicking *Manuals* in the top note leads to the 2.12.2 manuals, whereas

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:36:57AM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote: 2009/12/18 Federico Bruni brunol...@gmx.com: Il 18/12/2009 00:57, Graham Percival ha scritto: Pretend that you've never heard of lilypond.  Does the webpage answer the questions, or present the information, that you wanted

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/18 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: So the question is what action from the clicking on the downloaded icon will be the fastest leading to the average unsuspecting user writing and processing their first Michael row the boat ashore kind of file. The *first* question is how

Re: I want to *force* spacing

2009-12-18 Thread Robin Bannister
I suppose I'd like a filler that does *not* take up duration You can use a breath mark for this http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Curves#Breath-marks and then make it blank by overriding #'text or #'transparent. gap = { \once \override BreathingSign #'text = %

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:47:26AM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote: 2009/12/18 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: Hmm, on second thought, what about calling it Easier editing? That alliterates, so it gets a 20% bonus to its attractiveness. :) I often call them Improved Environments.

Re: padding at top of first page

2009-12-18 Thread Alexander Kobel
Hugh Myers wrote: How do I remove it such that each page begins at same top-left corner? --hsm Hi, Hugh, there are a few settings mentioned in the paper layout which might help you, but there's quite a difference between 2.12.x and 2.13.y. Most notably are, of course, top-margin and

Re: padding at top of first page

2009-12-18 Thread Alexander Kobel
Alexander Kobel wrote: Hugh Myers wrote: How do I remove it such that each page begins at same top-left corner? If you're not afraid of using the command line, if you're on Linux (might work on Windows also, but I have no clue if you can get all the required tools there), and if the

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Quoting Federico Bruni brunol...@gmx.com: Il 18/12/2009 00:57, Graham Percival ha scritto: Pretend that you've never heard of lilypond. Does the webpage answer the questions, or present the information, that you wanted to know before you got involved?

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Federico Bruni
Il 18/12/2009 06:32, Jonathan Wilkes ha scritto: LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are listed under Alternate Input. Since this link is to the right of Text Input, the implication is that they are alternatives to text input, which of course is false: All the information under the Text

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Joseph Haig
Forgive me for jumping in, as this is a long thread and I have only been partially reading it. However, I have a couple of comments which I hope will be useful. Firstly, I think the new web site looks great. I do not think the current site looks particularly bad (I have seen much worse), but it

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you can suggest an improvement, especially in the Introduction pages, please do. LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are listed under Alternate Input. Since this

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: The *first* question is how do we discourage people who don't want lilypond from downloading it? Some people don't get text input, and will never take the time to learn. Such as my mother, for example. Yes, that's as important as it is for a

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Federico Bruni
Il 18/12/2009 10:36, Francisco Vila ha scritto: 2009/12/18 Federico Brunibrunol...@gmx.com: I would add this line, before executing the file (I know Unix users should not have any problem with that, but still.. it's just a line.. and it can help newbies): chmod a+x lilypond-2.12.2-OS-TYPE.sh

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Quoting Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 01:00:57AM -0800, -Eluze wrote: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development on this page clicking *Manuals* in the top

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Owain Sutton
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 12:01 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you can suggest an improvement, especially in the Introduction pages, please do. LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi,

splitting page into 2 columns?

2009-12-18 Thread Fredrik Carlén
Hello, me again! I am kinda new to this, so bear with me; I *will* RTFM (and to some extent I have) thouroughly, but now all I have time for is to skim through selected parts. In doing this, however, I have found no way of splitting the page into two columns. My work in Lilypond right now is

Re: splitting page into 2 columns?

2009-12-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Fredrik, To print as many as possible of these, I need to split the page into two columns. This is the last thing I need to do, everything else is working perfectly. I haven't found anything in the manual, nor in LSR about how to do this. Is it possible? You can always put a \score

Re: padding at top of first page

2009-12-18 Thread Hugh Myers
Thanks for the pointer, Alexander. I had looked, but not far enough. Here is what works: \version 2.13.7 \header { tagline = ##f } \layout { \context { \Staff \remove Time_signature_engraver } } \paper{ indent = 0\mm paper-width = 3\in line-width = 1.5\in paper-height = 5\in

Re: restraining lilypond

2009-12-18 Thread Hugh Myers
Key in my testing to both first and last page top-left problems is: \paper{ indent = 0\mm paper-width = 3\in line-width = 1.5\in paper-height = 5\in print-page-number = ##f after-title-space = 0\mm before-title-space = 0\mm between-system-padding = 0\mm between-system-space =

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread James Lowe
Maybe change Alternate Input to Input software, or Input programs, or Progams, At least One of Which You Will Use to Enter Your Scores if You At All Value Your Time and Sanity. Input aids. Hmm, on second thought, what about calling it Easier editing? 'Aids' isn't much better for the

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote: Quoting Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: Thanks, I missed that! I'll add this to my TODO. I hope you also know that you end up at the 2.13 manual if you click on the quick link to the Manuals 2.12.2 on the main page.

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Ian Hulin
Hi Graham, On 18/12/09 09:38, Graham Percival wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you can suggest an improvement, especially in the Introduction pages, please do. LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are listed under Alternate Input. Since this

Re: Lilypond Right to Left

2009-12-18 Thread Fr. Michael Gilmary
Patrick McCarty wrote: I was unable to get the suggested font working correctly, but your feature request is now on the issue tracker: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=937 Sorry for the delay. If you have any further examples to contribute, I would be happy to add them to

Re: Lilypond Right to Left

2009-12-18 Thread Fr. Michael Gilmary
Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: Patrick McCarty wrote: I was unable to get the suggested font working correctly, but your feature request is now on the issue tracker: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=937 Sorry for the delay. If you have any further examples to contribute, I

off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18 Thread chip
Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install disk that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection set up for working on music and lily. Thanks, chip

Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18 Thread James Lowe
It is possible, it just depends on how adept you are and what you want really want out of your OS. For example I have used Damn Small Linux, booting from a USB stick then download the applications from with then RAM disk image this loads (including Lilypond and a PDf viewer etc) and then make

Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/18 chip c...@wiegand.org: Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install disk that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection set up for working on music and lily. Windows or

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Tim McNamara
On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:59 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Kees van den Doel kvand...@shaw.ca writes: Of course there is nothing really wrong with the current website. Most people will want to just download lilypond and try it out; who has time to read all the crap on a product's website? Once

Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Graham Percival wrote: A couple of comments on the text at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/text-input#Text-input: You never mention that you need a text editor. Well, the windows and OSX lilyponds come with their own text editor. I admit that I'm just assuming that

inter staff spacing

2009-12-18 Thread Hugh Myers
Given: \version 2.13.7 \header { tagline = ##f } \layout { \context { \Staff \remove Time_signature_engraver } } \paper{ indent = 0\mm paper-width = 3\in line-width = 1.5\in paper-height = 5\in print-page-number = ##f after-title-space = 0\mm before-title-space = 0\mm

Re: Distancing custom articulations from the note

2009-12-18 Thread Luca Rossetto Casel
Federico Bruni ha scritto: Il 13/12/2009 19:10, Luca Rossetto Casel ha scritto: [...] I have found and adapted to my needs a snippet to print smaller articulations. Here it is the staccato one: smallStaccato = #(let ((m (make-music 'ArticulationEvent 'articulation-type staccato)))

Re: inter staff spacing

2009-12-18 Thread Alexander Kobel
Hugh Myers wrote: Given: \version 2.13.7 [...] How do I control the distance between the staff and the tab staff. [...] I've played around with \override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent to no avail Hi, Hugh, AFAICS, the #'minimum-Y-extent does not work anymore for staves in

Re: simple editor for windows

2009-12-18 Thread Stefan Thomas
Dear Ralph, thanks for Your hint. I've downloaded Textpad. It works well, but unfortunately I couldn't get syntax-highlighting with it. Isn't it available? 2009/12/16 Ralph Palmer palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com Stefan - I have been using ConTEXT on my Win XP machine. It's freeware, and has

function variable question

2009-12-18 Thread Hugh Myers
Given: flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{ $note s2. \pageBreak #} ) I'd like to modify it so that a fixed duration for the note can be within the function rather than in the calling sequence. Like so: instead of \flashNote e,4 I'd rather

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 85, Issue 56

2009-12-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:27:23 + From: Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk Subject: Re: GUI To: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, lilypond-user@gnu.org Message-ID: 4b2b914b.7020...@hulin.org.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;

Re:GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 85, Issue 56 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 11:02 PM Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:27:23 + From: Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk Subject: Re: GUI To: Graham Percival

Re: simple editor for windows

2009-12-18 Thread Aaron Dalton
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Stefan Thomas wrote: Dear Ralph, thanks for Your hint. I've downloaded Textpad. It works well, but unfortunately I couldn't get syntax-highlighting with it. Isn't it available? 2009/12/16 Ralph Palmer palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com Stefan - I have been using

Re: function variable question

2009-12-18 Thread Alexander Kobel
Hugh Myers wrote: Given: flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{ $note s2. \pageBreak #} ) I'd like to modify it so that a fixed duration for the note can be within the function rather than in the calling sequence. [...] I've tried various versions of

Re: function variable question

2009-12-18 Thread Hugh Myers
Thanks again Alexander--- thats the third time today you've bailed me out! Hope I can return same someday. --hgsm On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Alexander Kobel n...@a-kobel.de wrote: Hugh Myers wrote: Given: flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{  $note

Re: function variable question

2009-12-18 Thread Alexander Kobel
Hugh Myers wrote: Thanks again Alexander--- thats the third time today you've bailed me out! Hope I can return same someday. You're welcome. If it's not me whom you can help, it's someone else. Just fair - I've been there, too, and there have benn others... :-) Cheers, Alexander

Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18 Thread chip
Francisco Vila wrote: 2009/12/18 chip c...@wiegand.org: Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install disk that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection set up for working on music

Re: score runs off the page

2009-12-18 Thread Robin Bannister
Hu Haipeng wrote: only a few pages [...] and some of these with staves missing I ran this through 2.13.9. The most obvious problems are: A: The first page has music running off the bottom. I suppose so many staves can't be fitted in vertically. One of the following makes things fit on

Re: score runs off the page

2009-12-18 Thread Peter Chubb
With 2.12.2, the overture compiles (with some warnings), and looks OK on a4 paper, except for the last page, where bar numbers are printed for non-existant staves. Also the copyright notice on the first page collides with the music. With 2.13.9, the 'cello parts run off the bottom of the first

Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18 Thread Aaron Dalton
On 18/12/2009 5:31 PM, chip wrote: Francisco Vila wrote: 2009/12/18 chip c...@wiegand.org: Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install disk that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet

flash cards

2009-12-18 Thread Hugh Myers
I have previously seen inquires about making flash cards with Lilypond. Thinking that this would be a good way to learn more about the world of musical typesetting I decided to re-invent this particular wheel. With a fair amount of help from the list here is cards.ly: %% %% %% cards.ly --

Re:Re: score runs off the page

2009-12-18 Thread 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng
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Re: GUI

2009-12-18 Thread Robert Ley
Thanks. I had found most of that. What I had meant is more along the lines of what Tim McNamara said: IMHO here is where we run into the issue of what LilyPond *is.* It's a backend with no face, basically. This is something that most Windows and Mac users will find hard to grasp initially,

Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18 Thread chip
Excellent, that's what I hoping for. Thanks, chip Aaron Dalton wrote: On 18/12/2009 5:31 PM, chip wrote: Francisco Vila wrote: 2009/12/18 chip c...@wiegand.org: Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install disk that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other

I hope you like this off-topic post

2009-12-18 Thread Patrick Horgan
Just quickly, because many will miss this, on gamedev network there's a cool little orchestration tutorial. http://www.gamedev.net/reference/music/features/brfOrchGuide/ Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/19 chip c...@wiegand.org: Excellent, that's what I hoping for. Thanks, chip I don't see a settings folder, did find a settings-backup folder buried under Documents and Settings etc etc etc. Can I just copy the entire .jedit folder from that directory and paste into a new install of