Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-04-08 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Yes, there's a short one on the main Vivi page: http://percival-music.ca/vivi.html Erm, I'm pretty sure you don't care about video encoding but if you ever do, please note that using video HTML tags with WebM

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-04-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 11:46:34AM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Yes, there's a short one on the main Vivi page: http://percival-music.ca/vivi.html Erm, I'm pretty sure you don't care about video encoding

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-04-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 02:58:39AM -0300, Pato Press wrote: And, if you want to, I have a not so good violin made in Blender, nearly with all it's pieces. I have never completely finish it. In case anybody is wondering about this, the blender model is absolutely awesome, and it's now part

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-04-07 Thread Nils Hammerfest
How do I get the video? I just got a wave file from ../build/src/actions2wav unit.actions Nils On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:07:28 +0100 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 02:58:39AM -0300, Pato Press wrote: And, if you want to, I have a not so good violin

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-04-07 Thread Pato Press
Hi Nils 2011/4/7 Nils Hammerfest n...@hammerfeste.com How do I get the video? I just got a wave file from ../build/src/actions2wav unit.actions Nils Just cd blender make test # first do the test. These should give you 3 violin bow img in the /tmp/vivi-movie/ that you could verify with

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-04-07 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi Marcos (etc.) Just cd blender make test # first do the test. These should give you 3 violin bow img in the /tmp/vivi-movie/ that you could verify with your prefer soft. make mpeg # rest a couple of minutes. While it renders the movie and there you'll have a ./unit.mpeg Any preview

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-04-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/4/7 Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com: Hi Marcos (etc.) Just cd blender make test # first do the test. These should give you 3 violin bow img in the /tmp/vivi-movie/ that you could verify with your prefer soft. make mpeg # rest a couple of minutes. While it renders the movie

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-04-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 11:16:10PM +0200, Christ van Willegen wrote: Any preview movies that can be put up anywhere? Yes, there's a short one on the main Vivi page: http://percival-music.ca/vivi.html and a longer one on the conference webpage: http://percival-music.ca/smc2011.html I still

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-26 Thread David Kastrup
Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net writes: On 3/25/2011 5:17 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: David, Again: staring into the sun is not overstimulation since it is not overloading the sensors with content but rather blocking them. Looking into the sun can't be characterized as I am seeing too much.

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Dr Nicholas Bailey
On Friday 18 Mar 2011 08:14:48 Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: Let's say, i love J. S. Bach very much (well, let's say), as much as my father and grandfather (etc). So, can i really be sure that i understand his music as good as my grandfather?.. I mean that every Beethoven's symphony contains a

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
Dmytro O. Redchuk brownian@gmail.com writes: On Thu 17 Mar 2011, 18:08 Kieren MacMillan wrote: Unfortunately, lower barrier of entry almost always means more crap to sift through. The more crap -- the lower criteria barrier for what is `crap'?. The more crap will become normal and even

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, You can sympathize with your grandfather, but comparing the qualities and substance of your response seems a bit far-stretched. Not at all, I think… and very useful. Oliver Sacks, for one example, measures and reports on [extreme] sensory perceptive (dis)abilities -- and books like

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, You can sympathize with your grandfather, but comparing the qualities and substance of your response seems a bit far-stretched. Not at all, I think… and very useful. Obviously I disagree. Oliver Sacks, for one example,

RE: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread James Lowe
Hello )-Original Message- )From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org )[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] On )Behalf Of David Kastrup )Sent: 25 March 2011 16:31 )To: lilypond-user@gnu.org )Subject: Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, Not at all, I think… and very useful. Obviously I disagree. Obviously. =) The trend seems more in the direction of understimulation to me. Obviously, I disagree. =) Twenty (never mind fifty) years ago, we [apparently] didn't need: subwoofers at +10dB, and over-emphasized

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, Not at all, I think… and very useful. Obviously I disagree. Obviously. =) The trend seems more in the direction of understimulation to me. Obviously, I disagree. =) Twenty (never mind fifty) years ago, we [apparently]

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, Well, doesn't that speak towards understimulation to you? Absolutely not: relative to past generations, today's youth apparently need to be overstimulated (*not* understimulated) in order to feel the same amount. In other words, more sensory stimulation needs to be present for them

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Freitag, 25. März 2011, um 19:03:20 schrieb David Kastrup: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Twenty (never mind fifty) years ago, we [apparently] didn't need: subwoofers at +10dB, and over-emphasized bass+drum hits, in order to feel the music; a visual cut every

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Reinhold, Or it simply means that you have stared into the sun / spotlight a bit too long, so now everything appears dark to you, no matter how bright it actually is... +1 I'm glad *someone* gets me. ;) Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com writes: Am Freitag, 25. März 2011, um 19:03:20 schrieb David Kastrup: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Twenty (never mind fifty) years ago, we [apparently] didn't need: subwoofers at +10dB, and over-emphasized bass+drum

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
David, Again: staring into the sun is not overstimulation since it is not overloading the sensors with content but rather blocking them. Looking into the sun can't be characterized as I am seeing too much. There's clearly a semantic misunderstanding here, and it doesn't look like it's

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Marc Mouries
On 3/25/2011 5:17 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: David, Again: staring into the sun is not overstimulation since it is not overloading the sensors with content but rather blocking them. Looking into the sun can't be characterized as I am seeing too much. There's clearly a semantic

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-25 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 02:58:39AM -0300, Pato Press wrote: And, if you want to, I have a not so good violin made in Blender, nearly with all it's pieces. I have never completely finish it. I make it just to start learning how to use Blender. but if you want it, I can sent it to

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I've seen these threat when it was just an 8 mails threat!!! It grows BIG JAJAA!! Indeed. This thread becomes a threat because it's so big... Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-23 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Wed 23 Mar 2011, 01:57 Graham Percival wrote: If you look at an opera from a certain time period and certain country, the bass singer is always the bad guy, the tenor is always the good guy, the soprano is always the love interest, etc. Ha-ha :-) Pop music (and thus a lot of Vocaloid

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-23 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Pop music (and thus a lot of Vocaloid stuff) gets a bad rap for using the I IV V I chord progression a lot, but I don't see that amount of predictability to be any worse than classical music's predictability of beat strength in 4/4 time

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:03:55PM +0200, Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: On Sun 20 Mar 2011, 18:27 Graham Percival wrote: On an objective level, it's allowed many people to create music. On a subjective level, listening (and watching) Vocaloid music has brought me more pleasure than *any*

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-22 Thread Marc Mouries
On 3/22/2011 9:57 PM, Graham Percival wrote: Pop music (and thus a lot of Vocaloid stuff) gets a bad rap for using the I IV V I chord progression a lot, but I don't see that amount of predictability to be any worse than classical music's predictability of beat strength in 4/4 time

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-22 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-03-22 07:57 PM, Graham Percival wrote: Pop music (and thus a lot of Vocaloid stuff) gets a bad rap for using the I IV V I chord progression a lot, but I don't see that amount of predictability to be any worse than classical music's predictability of beat strength in 4/4 time

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-21 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: In the 1940s, a barometer of popular taste was Frank Sinatra (who could sing/croon/perform, but not really write lyrics or music) singing/performing/crooning songs written by others (who *could* write lyrics and/or music, but not

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-21 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Sun 20 Mar 2011, 18:27 Graham Percival wrote: I really, honestly, love Vocaloid (that waste of time). ;) That was an attempt to direct myself to better wording; i am not sure i succeeded, sorry .) I appreciate your tastes, of course. On an objective level, it's allowed many people to

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi James, and so we're back to Graham's point. Anyone can now make 'music' without having to spend years learning a 'real' instrument etc. It's not so much some 'musicians' can no longer play an instrument or read music but that some extra 'musicians' can now create music without having to

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-20 Thread James Lowe
Hello, Yes very good question. One thing that comes to mind is that I don't want to arrive at a point where musician will be teaching computers to play instead of learning to play themselves. We're long past that point. Many many pop and rock and hip hop keyboardists can't really play, i.e.

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:35:37AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Trevor, Of course, we can't know about good stuff that vanished and has not been rediscovered :) Have you ever heard Mozart's son's piano music? There are some pieces (especially the Mazurkas) which are clearly

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 04:50:04PM +0200, Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: Can't imagine how many issues they could fix instead of that waste of time... That goes for *anything* we do for entertainment -- including academic music / musicology / history / lilypond work / etc. Any one of us could have

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:26:40AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Rather, I'm railing against the following [possibly inevitable, but still disheartening] reality: In the 1940s, a barometer of popular taste was Frank Sinatra ... In the 1960s, the barometer was Bob Dylan (who can write great

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, IMO, the world would be a better place if we were more precise in our musical judgements. Fair enough. If you don't specify that something is a personal opinion, then go objective or go home. Some philosophers would say that every statement is subjective, even The sun rose

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, On a subjective level, listening (and watching) Vocaloid music has brought me more pleasure than *any* academic music composition (going back as far as the Rite of Spring I couldn't even make it through one 3-minute Vocaloid song, but have listened with great pleasure to the Rite

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
I don't find this disheartening -- I consider this a triumph of science. As Patton Oswald once said, We're Science: all about 'coulda', not about 'shoulda'! =) I somewhat consider produced music recordings to be in a category like theatre or movies -- they might involve live music at some

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-19 Thread Patrick Horgan
On 03/17/2011 07:15 AM, Marc Mouries wrote: This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not practice? and who wants to listen to music played by a computer? Sure many times,

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-19 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Michael, The reason most musicians despise the Pachelbel Canon has nothing to do with the quality of the composition. They're just sick of it, largely because it became so popular in the late '70s And beyond: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM Enjoy! Kieren.

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Thu 17 Mar 2011, 18:08 Kieren MacMillan wrote: Unfortunately, lower barrier of entry almost always means more crap to sift through. The more crap -- the lower criteria barrier for what is `crap'?. The more crap will become normal and even good thing. And at some point in the future we all

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:14:48AM +0200, Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: On Thu 17 Mar 2011, 18:08 Kieren MacMillan wrote: Unfortunately, lower barrier of entry almost always means more crap to sift through. The more crap -- the lower criteria barrier for what is `crap'?. The more crap will

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:14:48AM +0200, Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: On Thu 17 Mar 2011, 18:08 Kieren MacMillan wrote: Unfortunately, lower barrier of entry almost always means more crap to sift through. The more crap -- the lower criteria

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Fri 18 Mar 2011, 10:44 Graham Percival wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:14:48AM +0200, Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: On Thu 17 Mar 2011, 18:08 Kieren MacMillan wrote: Unfortunately, lower barrier of entry almost always means more crap to sift through. The more crap -- the lower criteria

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Graham, Has that happened with books? Have stories become total crap over the past 10/50/200 years? Actually, yes: no author made a million dollars writing a Harlequin Romance novel in the 1500s. :) To be clear, I'm not saying -- as many, many music lovers do -- that good music stopped

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
David, The average Usenet flame is less edifying to read than, say, Old French fabliaux, or equivalent verbiage like The Miller's Tale in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. That may be the understatement of the year. =) Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Dmytro, I don't know. We can't measure this. Do we have the same sensitivity as our grandfathers? We *can* measure this, and we don't. Studies have been done in visual perception, auditory perception, rate of data absorption, and detail extraction -- and all of them point to a decrease

RE: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread James Lowe
, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music ) ) ... -- and recent studies on youth support my belief with )evidence. On the music side, consider the fact that recent studies have )shown a majority of young people prefer the sound of compressed audio )(e.g., low- to medium-bitrate MP3s) to uncompressed

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Nick Payne
@gnu.org )Subject: Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music ) ) ... -- and recent studies on youth support my belief with )evidence. On the music side, consider the fact that recent studies have )shown a majority of young people prefer the sound of compressed audio )(e.g., low

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/3/18 Dmytro O. Redchuk brownian@gmail.com On Fri 18 Mar 2011, 10:44 Graham Percival wrote: Has that happened with books?  Have stories become total crap over the past 10/50/200 years? :-) I don't know. We can't measure this. Do we have the same sensitivity as our grandfathers?

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi James, do you have any reference to those recent studies? Search Google for study prefer mp3s berger and you'll find the MP3 study. My own anecdotal evidence is that it depends on the 'depth' and how much you 'study' music as a profession or significant hobby Definitely. And -- a propos

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Nick, My observation, from having worked in a recording studio and at an University FM station in my youth, is that there is usually an inverse relationship between people's interest in hifi and how much live music they participate in, whether as performer or listener. In other words,

RE: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread James Lowe
)Subject: Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music ) )2011/3/18 Dmytro O. Redchuk brownian@gmail.com ) ) On Fri 18 Mar 2011, 10:44 Graham Percival wrote: ) Has that happened with books?  Have stories become total crap over ) the past 10/50/200 years? ) :-) ) ) I don't know

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi James, When you are a 'grandfather' you will know the answer because the 'good' stuff of today will still be around or known and the 'bad' stuff will not (or rather it will be 'somewhere' but everyone will have forgotten about it). Yes, the Sieve of Time is a powerful arbiter of taste.

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Graham Percival
On 3/18/11, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Graham, Has that happened with books? Have stories become total crap over the past 10/50/200 years? Actually, yes: no author made a million dollars writing a Harlequin Romance novel in the 1500s. :) Hmm. I'll admit that

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Graham Percival
On 3/18/11, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Yes, the Sieve of Time is a powerful arbiter of taste. =) IMO, it is the *only* arbiter of (general population) taste. While the *only* arbiter of your personal taste is you. There must be examples in both directions, of

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan wrote Friday, March 18, 2011 1:23 PM There must be examples in both directions, of course: bad stuff surviving (even thriving!), and good stuff disappearing. Didn't Bach's compositions vanish from the wider public for c. 100 years until Mendelssohn discovered and revived

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/3/18 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On 3/18/11, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Graham, Has that happened with books?  Have stories become total crap over the past 10/50/200 years? Actually, yes: no author made a million dollars writing a Harlequin

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Fri 18 Mar 2011, 13:31 Graham Percival wrote: But regardless of quality, it *is* music. It's a human being active, instead of watching American Idol. It's a human being creative. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_RVLOsUW6U Those who programmed it, are *very* creative. They did it for

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Graham (et al.), I'll admit that penny dreadfuls were in the 1800s, not 1500s Actually, some of those penny dreadfuls were far from it! =) but I'm certain that the 1500s still had raunchy, low-class theatrical plays and songs. I don't believe that everybody sat around in their castles

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, IMO, it is the *only* arbiter of (general population) taste. Not true -- like it or not, there are forces beyond general population taste which apply to the Sieve of Time. While the *only* arbiter of your personal taste is you. Agreed. IMO, If something thrives, then it's good

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Janek: I think the problem is what exactly were they questioned about? Was is which one do you like better listening to? (a question about taste, to which your above example correspons good) or which one is better quality/is more similar to 'live audio'? (a technical question about

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Trevor, There must be examples in both directions, of course: bad stuff surviving (even thriving!), and good stuff disappearing. Didn't Bach's compositions vanish from the wider public for c. 100 years until Mendelssohn discovered and revived his St Matthew Passion? Yes. Of course,

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Dmytro, our creativity can make other people more active or make them watching just another idol. The lower the barrier --- the more crap. The more crap --- the more just another idols and the less of creativity. I couldn't have put it better myself. It is not a bad thing. It is the law

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-18 Thread Michael Ellis
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Dmytro, our creativity can make other people more active or make them watching just another idol. The lower the barrier --- the more crap. The more crap --- the more just another idols and the less of

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 04:16:35PM -0400, Shane Brandes wrote: I suppose since I have spent so much of my life attempting to master keyboard instruments and having watch so many students progress in their own studies that it seems to me that one cold never hope to replicate a human at an

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Marc Mouries
This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not practice? and who wants to listen to music played by a computer? Sure many times, nowadays, the rendition of a computer playing is

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Now, at the moment, Vivi doesn't create good music, and probably requires about 10 hours of learning. I mean, you have to write a lilypond file (that could be between 1 and 5 hours, for simple music at least), and then if you know nothing

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all, At first, I wasn't really interested in this thread… however, it's now gotten quite interesting. This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not practice? and who

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net writes: This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not practice? and who wants to listen to music played by a computer? Sure many times, nowadays,

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Knoop
At 10:15 on 17 Mar 2011, Marc Mouries wrote: This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not practice? and who wants to listen to music played by a computer? I don't really see

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Marc Mouries
On 3/17/2011 10:57 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Marc Mouriesm...@mouries.net writes: This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not practice? and who wants to listen to music

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:15:46AM -0400, Marc Mouries wrote: This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not practice? and who wants to listen to music played by a computer?

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:02:59AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: But I also believe that it will be a great while longer before *watching* a robot (or audio speaker) will be as compelling as watching a human performer. BS. Watching musical robots is *incredibly* interesting, and way way

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: [...] One thing that comes to mind is that I don't want to arrive at a point where musician will be teaching computers to play instead of learning to play themselves. I hate to break the news, but we're already at that point -- as

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, Excellent rebuttal! The whole point is that a computer, left to its own devices, would never think of playing the violin or chess. It would sit in a corner and rust. With all due respect, I don't even think that's the point -- for at some future date, there will undoubtedly be a

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread David Santamauro
Hi, On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:02:59 -0400 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hello all, At first, I wasn't really interested in this thread… however, it's now gotten quite interesting. Same here ... This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who

RE: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread James Lowe
hello )-Original Message- )From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org )[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] On )Behalf Of David Kastrup )Sent: 17 March 2011 14:57 )To: lilypond-user@gnu.org )Subject: Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Thu 17 Mar 2011, 15:31 Graham Percival wrote: As for *good* computer-performed music... it's not my favorite Miku work, but can you honestly say that you feel no emotion when watching this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Dqb6uJ8WY (maybe you _can_ say that you feel nothing, but I can't

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net writes: On 3/17/2011 10:57 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Marc Mouriesm...@mouries.net writes: This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Marc Mouries
On 3/17/2011 11:31 AM, Graham Percival wrote: Art conveys emotions which are the one thing that make us human and thus should be played by human. should be? Hmm. Art conveys emotions, and thus sheet music should be engraved by a human. You are mixing unrelated things. The analogy is about

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
David Santamauro david.santama...@gmail.com writes: One thing a robot, or any type of computer generated music will never replace is the simple gratification of actually playing -- from a players perspective. What a ridiculous criterion. One thing you or any type of human generated music

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:08:53AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi David, The whole point is that a computer, left to its own devices, would never think of playing the violin or chess. It would sit in a corner and rust. With all due respect, I don't even think that's the point -- for

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Susan Dittmar
Quoting Marc Mouries (m...@mouries.net): This is intellectually interesting but the question is not who deserves to create good music? but rather who wants to listen to music made by someone that does not practice? and who wants to listen to music played by a computer? Sure many times,

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:08:53AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi David, The whole point is that a computer, left to its own devices, would never think of playing the violin or chess. It would sit in a corner and rust. With all due

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:38:48PM -0400, Marc Mouries wrote: On 3/17/2011 11:31 AM, Graham Percival wrote: Art conveys emotions which are the one thing that make us human and thus should be played by human. should be? Hmm. Art conveys emotions, and thus sheet music should be engraved by a

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Graham, BS. Watching musical robots is *incredibly* interesting, and way way way more interesting than a human! (seriously! I mean, you can wonder how much power it uses, and whether they use wired or wireless transmission, or how many degrees of freedom each of the joints offers,

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, You are confusing teaching, training, and programming. No: they are simply three different levels/aspects/stages/manifestations of the same basic task. You don't teach an encyclopedia or an expert system You don't train or program an encyclopedia either -- the closest you can

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, With all due respect, I don't even think that's the point -- for at some future date, there will undoubtedly be a computer which, left to its own devices, *would* think of playing the violin or chess rather than sitting in a corner and rusting. Actually, I doubt that. Wow,

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, This day has more-or-less arrived. Whether we like it or not, most of the music we hear in our daily lives, e.g., radio spots, commercials, tv-shows and ever-increasingly, major motion pictures are filled with music generated by computers, albeit mostly through samples generated by

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Michael Ellis
I, for one, welcome our new computer overlords. -- Ken Jennings :-, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
I, for one, welcome our new computer overlords. -- Ken Jennings =) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Peter Chubb
Graham == Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: It comes down to this: - new tool for composers. It's also a tool for music teachers. And I'd argue that that is as important if not more so.Human students do an awful lot of

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Graham, I think the impact of making it easier and better for music *composers* will outweigh any inconvience for music *performers*. [...] it's created a market for thousands of people to create music where it was previously impossible. Unfortunately, lower barrier of entry almost always

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-15 Thread David Kastrup
Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net writes: As a random aside on the whole electronic music effort. On the one hand the technology and science is very interesting, but on the other it is somehow disturbing. I suppose since I have spent so much of my life attempting to master keyboard

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:42:45AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: This is F*G great! Especially the Bach BWV 1006 - I could have sworn it really was a kid playing. 

RE: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-14 Thread James Lowe
, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music ) )On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Mike Blackstock )blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: ) This is F*G great! Especially the Bach BWV 1006 - I could have ) sworn it really was a kid playing. ) http://percival-music.ca/audio/bwv-1006_1.wav.mp3 ) )To my ears

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: This is F*G great! Especially the Bach BWV 1006 - I could have sworn it really was a kid playing. http://percival-music.ca/audio/bwv-1006_1.wav.mp3 To my ears, the

Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music

2011-03-14 Thread Shane Brandes
As a random aside on the whole electronic music effort. On the one hand the technology and science is very interesting, but on the other it is somehow disturbing. I suppose since I have spent so much of my life attempting to master keyboard instruments and having watch so many students

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