Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Graham Percival
Rune Zedeler wrote: Well, in its current state I find the each subsection has its own page version of the manual unusable, and therefore always uses the one big page manual. I suggest that we gives each section its own page containing section and all subsections. Ofcourse each section should

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Graham Percival
Trevor Bača wrote: ~ subsection 8.4.3 Proportional notation can be removed completely in favor of subsection 11.6.5 Proportional notation I'd rather not remove subsections yet; we'll do that when we GDPify that particular chapter. ~ subsections 8.4.4 Clusters and 8.4.5 Special noteheads

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Graham Percival
Eyolf Østrem wrote: I would also say -- although this may exceed the limits of what kind of suggestions were allowed -- that one thing that is missing is a comprehensive survey of the syntax of Lilypond. Like Appendix E Cheat sheet ? It's quite limited at the moment, but is that what you're

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Valentin Villenave
Just a question... (by the way, is it really relevant to cross post this entire discussion to -devel?) I'm finishing translating the current chapter #9 (changing-defaults) and here's what I see: 9.3.2 Suppose we want to move the fingering indication in the fragment below: === but it actually

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Graham Percival
Valentin Villenave wrote: Just a question... (by the way, is it really relevant to cross post this entire discussion to -devel?) We're talking about some major lilypond development work here. Documentation is still development. A better question is is it really relevant to cross post this

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Yes, I guess my main point was the on-line manual, where the splitting into separate HTML pages is a problem in some cases, like Valentin just illustrated. As far as I understand, it's the texinfo - HTML conversion that imposes the constraint that each subsection ends up in a separate HTML. It

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 10.09.2007 (05:28), Graham Percival wrote: Eyolf Østrem wrote: I would also say -- although this may exceed the limits of what kind of suggestions were allowed -- that one thing that is missing is a comprehensive survey of the syntax of Lilypond. Like Appendix E Cheat sheet ? It's quite

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/10, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Err.. we're talking about Changing defaults, a chapter which hasn't been significantly changed in the past three years, and which you've _already_ complained as being a pile of garbage... and using this as an argument for changing the way the rest

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Montag, 10. September 2007 schrieb Graham Percival: Rune Zedeler wrote: Well, in its current state I find the each subsection has its own page version of the manual unusable, and therefore always uses the one big page manual. I suggest that we gives each section its own page containing

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread John Mandereau
Le lundi 10 septembre 2007 à 14:46 +0200, Mats Bengtsson a écrit : Yes, I guess my main point was the on-line manual, where the splitting into separate HTML pages is a problem in some cases, like Valentin just illustrated. As far as I understand, it's the texinfo - HTML conversion that

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread John Mandereau
Le lundi 10 septembre 2007 à 15:31 +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer a écrit : Am Montag, 10. September 2007 schrieb Graham Percival: Rune Zedeler wrote: Well, in its current state I find the each subsection has its own page version of the manual unusable, and therefore always uses the one big

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-10 Thread Graham Percival
John Mandereau wrote: We could use @anchor to get links (@ref's in Info) on the same page, but I'm not sure *Menu items can redirect to an @anchor. @menu items direct to @section items. This is no problem. We will decide about having larger HTML pages (and thus larger Info nodes) in a

GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Graham Percival
Despite me being fairly happy with out table of contents, I think we could still improve the arrangement of subsections. Here's my proposal. LIMITED DISCUSSION To keep discussion focused and as un-confused as possible, this is a discussion *only* about the arrangement of subsections. Other

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Rune Zedeler
Graham Percival skrev: LIMITED DISCUSSION To keep discussion focused and as un-confused as possible, this is a discussion *only* about the arrangement of subsections. Other parts of GDP will be discussed later. This means: - propose new/changed chapter/sections - propose renamings of

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Graham Percival
Rune Zedeler wrote: Graham Percival skrev: LIMITED DISCUSSION To keep discussion focused and as un-confused as possible, this is a discussion *only* about the arrangement of subsections. Other parts of GDP will be discussed later. This means: - propose new/changed chapter/sections - propose

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Just one general comment for the moment: I'd rather propose longer than shorter subsections. I think that there already is too much fragmentation at some places for the moment, which means that you never get the chance to see the full picture as a reader. We shouldn't expect a user to keep

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Graham Percival
Mats Bengtsson wrote: Just one general comment for the moment: I'd rather propose longer than shorter subsections. I think that there already is too much fragmentation at some places for the moment, which means that you never get the chance to see the full picture as a reader. Interesting

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Rune Zedeler
Citat Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just one general comment for the moment: I'd rather propose longer than shorter subsections. I think that there already is too much fragmentation at some places for the moment, which means that you never get the chance to see the full picture as a

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/9/07, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mats Bengtsson wrote: Just one general comment for the moment: I'd rather propose longer than shorter subsections. I think that there already is too much fragmentation at some places for the moment, which means that you never get the

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Rune Zedeler
Trevor Bac(a skrev: As a first pass, I took a look at chapter 8 Advanced notation, because I've never been very comfortable with the distinction between basic, advanced and contemporary notation in the current structure. It seems like your comments are meant to the online 2.11 documentation,

Re: GDP: rearrange manual

2007-09-09 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 09.09.2007 (16:32), Graham Percival wrote: Well, don't I feel like a complete newbie. :/Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird treat text like pure bloody text, and not change the displayed text when it sends an email out? thanks in advance. :( One of the reasons why I prefer