Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 4:33 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > Type:Defect means that LilyPond intends to do something, but does it wrong. > > > > Type:Enhancement means that the capability of LilyPond would expanded to > cover things it currently doesn’t cover. > > > > In this case, LilyPond does not

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Type:Defect means that LilyPond intends to do something, but does it wrong. Type:Enhancement means that the capability of LilyPond would expanded to cover things it currently doesn’t cover. In this case, LilyPond does not intend to present pedal bracket cautionaries, so it’s not a defect. If

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

I should point out my own mistake: Breitkopf & Härtel did a great deal of very good work, and (from a pianist's point of view anyway) they don't belong in the same paragraph as PWM or Kalmus. -- David Rogers

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: Paolo, A quick examination of pieces in my collection showed that the following editions did not use brackets for the pedal, rather Ped. * was used. Paragon, Fryderyka Chopin Institute, Breitkopf & Hartel, and Edwin F. Kalmus. Unfortunately for the

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:25 AM David Rogers wrote: > Paolo Prete writes: > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:00 PM Jean Abou Samra > > > > wrote: > > > > So, in order to produce a concrete result, at least the > > point > > 2) should be accepted / understood. This is what

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 1:29 AM Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > Paolo, > > > > A quick examination of pieces in my collection showed that the following > editions did not use brackets for the pedal, rather Ped. * was used. > > Paragon, Fryderyka Chopin Institute, Breitkopf & Hartel, and Edwin F. >

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Paolo Prete writes: On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:00 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote: So, in order to produce a concrete result, at least the point 2) should be accepted / understood. This is what I tried to do, but the thread seems to go in the opposite way.

RE: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

nces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Paolo PreteykaSent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 2:17 PM To: Flaming Hakama by Elaine Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List Subject: Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements) By the way, the Type::Enhancement l

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:35 AM Valentin Villenave wrote: > On 6/25/20, Paolo Prete wrote: > > The lack of a cautionary pedal on a bracket could be seen as an > enhancement > > only in a self-referential context, which doesn't make sense to me. A > > proper way to proceed is to check what

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On 6/25/20, Paolo Prete wrote: > The lack of a cautionary pedal on a bracket could be seen as an enhancement > only in a self-referential context, which doesn't make sense to me. A > proper way to proceed is to check what modern professional engravers do > with it, and check as a consequence if

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

> >>> >>> By the way, the Type::Enhancement label expresses no judgement about >>> wether the >>> issue is a major one. It's to be understood as opposed to Type::Defect: >>> this ticket >>> is about an enhancement because the current output is consistent and >>> there is >>> no crash. >>> >>> I

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

gt; Subject: Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and > improvements) > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:00 PM Jean Abou Samra > wrote: > >> So, in order to produce a concrete result, at least the point 2) should >> be accepted / understood. This is

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:00 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote: > So, in order to produce a concrete result, at least the point 2) should be > accepted / understood. This is what I tried to do, but the thread seems to > go in the opposite way. This is why I think that opening a ticket would be > unuseful

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Hi Paolo, Le 25/06/2020 à 16:10, Paolo Prete a écrit : On Thursday, June 25, 2020, Jean Abou Samra > wrote: Hi Paolo, I still highly encourage you to fill an issue at https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Thursday, June 25, 2020, Jean Abou Samra wrote: > Le 25/06/2020 à 00:58, Paolo Prete a écrit : > > Hi Harm, > > Then Pierre, who is the creator of the snippet and joined this thread, will > decide what to do. > > Best, > P > > Hi Paolo, > > I still highly encourage you to fill an issue at >

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Le 25/06/2020 à 00:58, Paolo Prete a écrit : Hi Harm, Then Pierre, who is the creator of the snippet and joined this thread, will decide what to do. Best, P Hi Paolo, I still highly encourage you to fill an issue at https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:53 PM Thomas Morley wrote: > Am Di., 23. Juni 2020 um 20:33 Uhr schrieb Paolo Prete < > paolopr...@gmail.com>: > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:36 PM Pierre Perol-Schneider > > A this point: > > > > 1) I gently ask Harm (is Harm the snippet's maintainer ? ) to update

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Am Di., 23. Juni 2020 um 20:33 Uhr schrieb Paolo Prete : > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:36 PM Pierre Perol-Schneider > A this point: > > 1) I gently ask Harm (is Harm the snippet's maintainer ? ) to update the > snippet at least by adding a warning (--> something like "no midi is > produced") Hi

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:26 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:18 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > > > > > > (Also in response to Carl) > > In Italy, we call this approach "fare la morale". > > C's answer made P's words look like: > > > > "Hey, please develop this for me." And the

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:32 PM Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi Paolo, > > > I don't understand what you mean exactly, in the choral pieces. > > A cappella choral pieces don’t include piano music, and therefore don’t > include any piano pedal markings, and therefore

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Hi Paolo, > I don't understand what you mean exactly, in the choral pieces. A cappella choral pieces don’t include piano music, and therefore don’t include any piano pedal markings, and therefore don’t use or need the feature you’re describing — therefore, they are one of the [uncountable!]

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:18 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > > > > (Also in response to Carl) > In Italy, we call this approach "fare la morale". > C's answer made P's words look like: > > "Hey, please develop this for me." And the answer was, more or less (---> do > the moral): > "If you want it to

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:13 PM Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi Paolo, > > > This issue is not *important for me*. It is an *essential* feature for > any score. > > At best, one could argue that it‘s "an essential feature" for any score > with multiple pedal

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:53 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote: > Paolo, > > > I really think Carl did not intend to be harsh. He even explicitely tried > to > avoid making you taking it as an offence: > > > I'm trying not to be mean in this answer, but to explain the way > > LilyPond development works.

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:32 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:09 PM Carl Sorensen > wrote: >> >> Paolo, >> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:33 PM Paolo Prete wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > 2) Considering that a Pedal cautionary is *essential* in *every* serious >> > score, I

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Hi Paolo, > This issue is not *important for me*. It is an *essential* feature for any > score. At best, one could argue that it‘s "an essential feature" for any score with multiple pedal spanners [of different types] that cross line breaks. It’s demonstrably false that it’s "an essential

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Paolo, Le 23/06/2020 à 21:32, Paolo Prete a écrit : On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:09 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: Paolo, On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:33 PM Paolo Prete wrote: 2) Considering that a Pedal cautionary is *essential* in *every* serious score, I really encourage the developers to fix

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:32 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote: > Hi Paolo, > > Le 23/06/2020 à 21:09, Carl Sorensen a écrit : > > Paolo, > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:33 PM Paolo Prete > wrote: > >> 2) Considering that a Pedal cautionary is *essential* in *every* serious > >> score, I really

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:09 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > Paolo, > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:33 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > > > > > > > 2) Considering that a Pedal cautionary is *essential* in *every* serious > > score, I really encourage the developers to fix this in the development > > branch. I

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Hi Paolo, Le 23/06/2020 à 21:09, Carl Sorensen a écrit : Paolo, On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:33 PM Paolo Prete wrote: 2) Considering that a Pedal cautionary is *essential* in *every* serious score, I really encourage the developers to fix this in the development branch. I forward this post to

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Paolo, On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:33 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > > > 2) Considering that a Pedal cautionary is *essential* in *every* serious > score, I really encourage the developers to fix this in the development > branch. I forward this post to the devel ml. There is no way to "encourage the

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Hi Paolo, > Maybe a better approach is a fake pedal with the TextSpanner interface that > implements the cautionary markup and which overlays a hidden pedal. No… as I said in a previous thread, overloading TextSpanner to do what a pedal spanner should do isn’t the best choice. Cheers, Kieren.

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:36 PM Pierre Perol-Schneider < pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Paolo, > See: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1023 > Cheers, > PIerre > > Hi Pierre, I already saw your workaround but, as said in the previous email, it has unwanted side effects. The

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Hi Paolo, See: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1023 Cheers, PIerre Le mar. 23 juin 2020 à 17:25, Paolo Prete a écrit : > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 3:47 PM Kieren MacMillan < > kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> Hi Paolo, >> >> > It is very important, IMHO, to have a sustain pedal

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 3:47 PM Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi Paolo, > > > It is very important, IMHO, to have a sustain pedal cautionary after a > line break. > > Did you look at the LSR? > > > Does that not do what you

Re: Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Hi Paolo, > It is very important, IMHO, to have a sustain pedal cautionary after a line > break. Did you look at the LSR? Does that not do what you need? Cheers, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his) ‣

Pedal cautionary after a line break (current status and improvements)

Hello, It is very important, IMHO, to have a sustain pedal cautionary after a line break. Otherwise, when we use two simultaneous pedal brackets the music becomes absolutely unreadable. Looking at this thread: