>> If anyone hasn't done this already, i strongly recomment
>> alt-tab-comparing them (i.e. open them in two maximized windows,
>> both zoomed to 400% or so, and switch windows with alt-tab).
>
> I noticed that i've send files not optimized for
> alt-tab-comparison... Now i attach better ones; s
2011/7/11 Janek Warchoł :
> Hi all,
>
> i'm impressed by the amount of feedback i receive!
>
>> The scary thing is that personal taste can easily be influenced by
>> lesser [early computer based] publications that have appeared since the
>> 70's.
>
> I don't doubt that you've put a lot of effort in
2011/7/10 David Rogers :
> * Janek Warchoł [2011-07-06 21:10]:
>
>> Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
>
> I'm not sure. I think the thickness of that line is more at fault than
> its direction. It should be (IMO anyway) as thin as a note stem or
> thinner. I suspect that t
On Sun 10 Jul 2011, 12:48 Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
> So, I prefer the upper loop of the original clef, but the vertical line of
> the
> third one...
Most probably, I would say that -- if the upper loop was as in the original
clef -- lower part sholud be deeper, too.
So, if I could (sorry, again
Am Sonntag, 10. Juli 2011, 12:17:28 schrieb Dmytro O. Redchuk:
> On Sat 09 Jul 2011, 01:58 Janek Warchoł wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > currently it is:
>
> > right:
> [...]
>
> > Dmytro
>
> Actually, I would like the third (right one) to be a bit higher (and
> deeper, probably).
Me too.
When I o
On Sat 09 Jul 2011, 01:58 Janek Warchoł wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> currently it is:
> right:
[...]
> Dmytro
Actually, I would like the third (right one) to be a bit higher (and deeper,
probably).
I would definitely like to try it myself...
So, for now it's "oh well...", not more.
>
> therefore i'm
Werner LEMBERG writes:
>> I really like the new clef in your recompiled examples. I vote for
>> at least including both options if not replacing the existing one
Please take care that if you start to suggest voting for what you
like best, you do that based not so much on personal taste...
> Plea
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
I really like the new clef in your recompiled examples. I vote for
at least including both options if not replacing the existing one
altogether. Thanks for your work on this, Janek, the treble clef
has been one of Lily's weakest visual aspects IMO.
> I really like the new clef in your recompiled examples. I vote for
> at least including both options if not replacing the existing one
> altogether. Thanks for your work on this, Janek, the treble clef
> has been one of Lily's weakest visual aspects IMO.
Please don't forget that lilypond's clef
> Do you think it would be a good idea to include both current Lily
> clef and the one suggested by me in the font?
Yes, definitely! For example in your bww 988 example, I still think
that the larger clef looks much better. Your idea of making the line
through the spiral a bit more straight is
* Janek Warchoł [2011-07-06 21:10]:
Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
I'm not sure. I think the thickness of that line is more at fault than
its direction. It should be (IMO anyway) as thin as a note stem or
thinner. I suspect that the original intent was to get away
On Jul 9, 2011, at 16:58, Janek Warchoł
wrote:
> 2011/7/9 Janek Warchoł :
>> W dniu 8 lipca 2011 00:14 użytkownik James Lowe
>> napisał:
>>> until you really print out a score and plop it on your music stand and then
>>> have sharps and flats and time signatures and other ornamentation, I don'
2011/7/9 Janek Warchoł :
> W dniu 8 lipca 2011 00:14 użytkownik James Lowe
> napisał:
>> until you really print out a score and plop it on your music stand and then
>> have sharps and flats and time signatures and other ornamentation, I don't
>> really think one can make a definite case for eith
Hi all,
currently it is:
left: James, Ralph, Nick, Werner, Xavier
middle: Brent, Luca, Matthew
right: Reinhold, Paul, Martin, Trevor, James Worlton, Tim, Daniel,
Dmytro, Robert, Janek
therefore i'm opening a Rietveld issue: http://codereview.appspot.com/4664070
2011/7/6 Reinhold Kainhofer :
> Ho
: Re: font survey: which clef do you prefer?
2011/7/7 Xavier Scheuer :
> Maybe I’ve missed some discussions,
nope :)
> but what’s the purpose of this survey ?
> Do you plan to modify LilyPond’s G-clef ?
Yes.
It's been irking me since i began using Lily; I don't like it for
simi
2011/7/7 Xavier Scheuer :
> Maybe I’ve missed some discussions,
nope :)
> but what’s the purpose of this survey ?
> Do you plan to modify LilyPond’s G-clef ?
Yes.
It's been irking me since i began using Lily; I don't like it for
similar reasons as some of you (see attachment).
As you've surely g
2011/7/7 Bill Mooney :
> Greetings all,
> I prefer 2 or 3 before 1.
> Putting them in context - see the attached files, where I have superimposed
> pairs to show the differences as precisely as I could.
Good idea, thanks!
Janek
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Am 07.07.2011 11:37, schrieb Xavier Scheuer:
2011/7/7 Janek Warchoł:
I guess our G-clef is curved partly to distinguish itself from other
software' clefs. Default Finale clef has very straight vertical line
for example.
Maybe I’ve missed some discussions, but what’s the purpose of this
survey
>> The first. IMHO, the other two are too small or should be used for
>> special situations only, like tight full scores.
>
> I've looked on IMSLP and many scores use clefs smaller than left
> one, not only when staves are crowded.
Yes, especially non-German editions use very small clefs. It's
2011/7/7 Werner LEMBERG :
>
>> Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
>
> The first. IMHO, the other two are too small or should be used for
> special situations only, like tight full scores.
I've looked on IMSLP and many scores use clefs smaller than left one,
not only when s
Hans Aberg writes:
> At another place in Edition Peters, there is a slant to the right -
> these are hand drawn, I think.
More likely hand-engraved. Of course an engraver can tilt the type
before committing to the hammer.
--
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> Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
The first. IMHO, the other two are too small or should be used for
special situations only, like tight full scores.
Werner
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2011/7/7 Janek Warchoł :
>
> I guess our G-clef is curved partly to distinguish itself from other
> software' clefs. Default Finale clef has very straight vertical line
> for example.
Maybe I’ve missed some discussions, but what’s the purpose of this
survey ? Do you plan to modify LilyPond’s G-c
On 7 Jul 2011, at 10:16, Janek Warchoł wrote:
Examples from Edition Peters (Bach) and Schirmer (Muczynski) have the top
tip and the lowest crossing aligned pretty much vertically. A book by
Hindemith, though smaller in type, typeset by Scott, has slanting to the
left. So the
On Thu 07 Jul 2011, 10:16 Janek Warchoł wrote:
> I guess our G-clef is curved partly to distinguish itself from other
> software' clefs. Default Finale clef has very straight vertical line
> for example.
I would rather not take into account "other software' clefs"..
(Probably, "I simply do not li
On 7 Jul 2011, at 08:14, Janek Warchoł wrote:
>> Examples from Edition Peters (Bach) and Schirmer (Muczynski) have the top
>> tip and the lowest crossing aligned pretty much vertically. A book by
>> Hindemith, though smaller in type, typeset by Scott, has slanting to the
>> left. So there is so
2011/7/7 Hans Aberg :
> On 7 Jul 2011, at 08:14, Janek Warchoł wrote:
>
>>> Examples from Edition Peters (Bach) and Schirmer (Muczynski) have the top
>>> tip and the lowest crossing aligned pretty much vertically. A book by
>>> Hindemith, though smaller in type, typeset by Scott, has slanting to
2011/7/7 James Lowe :
>
> From: Janek Warchoł [lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com]
> >
> > 2011-07-06 22:21 wrote:
> >> Can we have some sharps and flats and perhaps some numeric signatures?
> >> There is no context for the clef otherwise (if you see what I m
2011/7/6 Hans Aberg :
> Examples from Edition Peters (Bach) and Schirmer (Muczynski) have the top tip
> and the lowest crossing aligned pretty much vertically. A book by Hindemith,
> though smaller in type, typeset by Scott, has slanting to the left. So there
> is some variation.
Of course. I'd
On Wed 06 Jul 2011, 22:53 Janek Warchoł wrote:
> W dniu 6 lipca 2011 22:21 użytkownik James Lowe
> napisał:
> > Can we have some sharps and flats and perhaps some numeric signatures?
> > There is no context for the clef otherwise (if you see what I mean).
>
> Attached.
The third one .)
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On Wed 06 Jul 2011, 21:10 Janek Warchoł wrote:
> Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
The first one.
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I like the third one.
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On 7/07/2011, at 7:10 am, Janek Warchoł wrote:
> Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
I don't like the left one: the top loop is far too big.
Of the other two, I marginally prefer the upright stance of the centre one over
the more 'laid-back' style of the right one.
Best w
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:53:51 +0200
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> To: James Lowe
> Cc: lilypond-user
> Subject: Re: font survey: which clef do you prefer?
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> W dniu 6 li
Il 06/07/2011 21:10, Janek Warchoł ha scritto:
Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
Hmm. I prefer the central one, I find in it more of the shape of the
original 'G' letter and it seems more balanced to me.
Luca
cheers,
Janek
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 15:53, Janek Warchoł
wrote:
> W dniu 6 lipca 2011 22:21 użytkownik James Lowe
> napisał:
>> Can we have some sharps and flats and perhaps some numeric signatures?
>> There is no context for the clef otherwise (if you see what I mean).
>
> Attached.
>
> Janek
>
I'll add m
Hello
From: Janek Warchoł [lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com]
Sent: 06 July 2011 21:53
To: James Lowe
Cc: lilypond-user
Subject: Re: font survey: which clef do you prefer?
W dniu 6 lipca 2011 22:21 użytkownik James Lowe
napisał:
> Can we have some sha
I prefer the second one.
In the first, the space outlined by the top loop of the clef and the top
line of the staff is too large, and the third just appears too 'grainy' to
me for some reason (although I find it hard to spot any differences between
it and the second).
Brent.
On 6 July 2011 22:37
The one on the right. The one on the left is taller and would
potentially affect the intra-staff spacing. Better to avoid this.
Trevor
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On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Janek Warchoł wrote:
Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
I like the 3rd one best.
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On 07/06/2011 12:10 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote:
Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
I prefer the 3rd one. I don't like the size (too big and fat) of the
top loop on the 1st one.
Paul Scott
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On 6 Jul 2011, at 21:10, Janek Warchoł wrote:
> Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
Examples from Edition Peters (Bach) and Schirmer (Muczynski) have the top tip
and the lowest crossing aligned pretty much vertically. A book by Hindemith,
though smaller in type, typeset b
Janek,
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[lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Janek
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To: lilypond-user
Subject: font survey: which
Janek,
I personally prefer the first one, then the third one, then the second one.
The third looks like it's twisting in on itself, but still feels more
balanced than the second one, which is tilted too far to the right. I find
the first more balanced than the third, but only very slightly. My 2¢
On Mi., 6. Jul. 2011 21:10:51 CEST, Janek Warchoł
wrote:
> Which one of the clefs in the attachment do you like best?
The last one.
In the first one, the vertical strike looks too straight. The second one feels
unbalanced and looks loke it's falling over to the right any second.
However,
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