Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-16 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:46 AM, David Nalesnik wrote: > Spacing rods are created between columns--PaperColumn (PC) and > NonMusicalPaperColumn (NMPC). The distance that these rods enforce is from > the beginning of one column to the next. So, if we have two notes, there > is a distance set b

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-16 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Werner, On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: DN wrote: > > > From your analysis it appear that LilyPond is taking the entire > > NonMusicalPaperColumn into account rather than just the right > > extent. I'll have a look. (This could be major!) > That's not quite it. A

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-15 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> In bar 2 you can see the effect of `minimum-length-after-break'. > > You mean bar 4--bar 2 is the default. Of course. Typo. >> Any chance to fix this? BTW, if you compare bar 2 with bar 6, you >> see exactly the opposite effect w.r.t. the default tie length: with >> a time signature the ti

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-15 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Werner, On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > >> If it's convenient, have a look at the attached patch/sketch. It > >> adds a property, minimum-length-left-broken, which lets you adjust > >> broken bits that start a line. > > > > Excellent! What an improvement with just

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-15 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> If it's convenient, have a look at the attached patch/sketch. It >> adds a property, minimum-length-left-broken, which lets you adjust >> broken bits that start a line. > > Excellent! What an improvement with just a few lines of code! > Thanks a lot. Now that the change is in the repository

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-05 Thread David Nalesnik
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > If it's convenient, have a look at the attached patch/sketch. It > > adds a property, minimum-length-left-broken, which lets you adjust > > broken bits that start a line. > > Excellent! What an improvement with just a few lines of code! T

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-04 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> In case it is easy to implement a `minimum-length-broken' property, >> please proceed! It would magically improve *a lot* of scores, I >> guess. > > If it's convenient, have a look at the attached patch/sketch. It > adds a property, minimum-length-left-broken, which lets you adjust > broken bi

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-04 Thread David Nalesnik
> > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:29 PM, David Nalesnik > wrote: >> >> >> The example file shows how minimum-length and the new property interact >> with each other. >> >> Will also work with objects other than ties. See attached for slurs, hairpins, and glissandi. --David \version "2.19.16" \pap

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-04 Thread David Nalesnik
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:29 PM, David Nalesnik wrote: > > > The example file shows how minimum-length and the new property interact > with each other. > > Attached is an image of the output of the example. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-04 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi, On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > Why not make it possible to give different values of minimum-length > > right when you do the basic override? Perhaps minimum-length could > > be a pair, one number giving the non-broken value, another giving > > the broken. Or--l

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, On Feb 4, 2015, at 9:44 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > From a philosophical point, however, such a fix basically goes into > the wrong direction. IMHO, `minimum-length' should do what its name > advertises, namely controlling the length of the tie, and not the > distance between its associ

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-04 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Why not make it possible to give different values of minimum-length > right when you do the basic override? Perhaps minimum-length could > be a pair, one number giving the non-broken value, another giving > the broken. Or--less intrusive--there could be a property alongside > it which acted on

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-04 Thread David Nalesnik
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:45 AM, David Nalesnik wrote: > Hi Werner, > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > >> > Don't know. In any case, I think the goal should be to make this >> > work with an override of 'minimum-length, rather than setting >> > 'minimum-length though

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-04 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Werner, On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > Don't know. In any case, I think the goal should be to make this > > work with an override of 'minimum-length, rather than setting > > 'minimum-length though 'after-line-breaking. > > The very problem is that minimum-length

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I've found no way to make it work. OK, thanks for trying. > Why not tackle the NoteColumn instead? > > \version "2.19.15" > > \paper { > indent = 0 > line-width = 50\mm > ragged-right = #f > } > > { > c''1 ~ \break > \once \override Score.NoteColumn.X-offset = 2 %% or

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> However, this has no effect. I guess this is because because the >> `after-line-breaking' callback is invoked too late in the >> formatting process. > > Yes, it appears that 'minimum-length is consulted before line > breaking happens, in the callback for ly:spanner::set-spacing-rods > (in lil

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-03 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-02-03 14:40 GMT+01:00 Werner LEMBERG : > > Folks, > > > I'm trying to work around an old problem of broken ties in tightly > setted music: They can degenerate to a dot, having no horizontal > extensions anymore. Following the example in section `Difficult > tweaks' of the notation reference (

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-03 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Werner, On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > Folks, > > > I'm trying to work around an old problem of broken ties in tightly > setted music: They can degenerate to a dot, having no horizontal > extensions anymore. Following the example in section `Difficult > tweaks' of

Re: lengthening broken ties

2015-02-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> They can degenerate to a dot, having no horizontal extensions > anymore. extensions -> extent Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

lengthening broken ties

2015-02-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Folks, I'm trying to work around an old problem of broken ties in tightly setted music: They can degenerate to a dot, having no horizontal extensions anymore. Following the example in section `Difficult tweaks' of the notation reference (with slight changes to change the property for all siblin