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On 4/03/2016 9:59 AM, Brendan wrote: > >> craig >> >> ps: why is it that this government is so obsessed with bullshit about >> the capital cost of the NBN and completely ignores the on-going costs? > > That's easy: capital costs are their problem, but recurring costs are > someone else's (ie later

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On 03/04/2016 08:59 AM, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 08:35:56AM +1100, Tom Worthington wrote: On 03/03/16 13:57, David Boxall wrote: craig ps: why is it that this government is so obsessed with bullshit about the capital cost of the NBN and completely ignores the on-going

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On 3/03/2016 9:11 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: > On 01/03/16 15:56, David Boxall wrote: > >> Can you substantiate your implication that the only demand that's >> increasing is mobile? ... > > The intended implication was that mobile demand would make fixed data > demand largely irrelevant. If we

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Wireless depends on the bands being available for public use? If we want to be planning for larger wireless public bandwidth should we be tracking squatted commercial wireless bands and reclaiming it for public use? On 3 March 2016 at 13:27, David Boxall wrote: > On

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On 1/03/2016 8:57 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: On 28/02/16 13:44, David Boxall wrote: ... Is a vision of broadband limited to mobile uses rational? Is it rational to suggest the trend to mobile devices will end? ... Can you substantiate your implication that the only demand that's increasing

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Paul Brooks wrote: Also, in the context of frequency re-use, the signal strength at the edge of the zone has to be weak so as not to interfere with an adjacent zone using the same frequencies. This means there is a band around the circumference where the signal strength is measurable, but too

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> On 1 Mar 2016, at 8:57 AM, Tom Worthington > wrote: > > >> Is a vision of broadband limited to mobile uses rational? > > Is it rational to suggest the trend to mobile devices will end? I haven’t seen anywhere, in this or any other LINK topic, where anybody has

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On 1/03/2016 8:57 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: > > On 28/02/16 13:46, Frank O'Connor wrote: > >> So all the observed trends, the increase in speeds ... aren’t gonna >> appear... > > Speeds will increase, but people want stuff they can carry around with > them, not have it stuck on a desk at home.

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On 29/02/2016 11:13 PM, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > On 29/02/2016 5:55 PM, David Lochrin wrote: > >> Just for the record... Analogue or digital, 1980's synchronous modem or >> 2020 fibre, no matter what the technological cleverness any communication >> channel is subject to Shannon's Law. >

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On 28/02/16 13:44, David Boxall wrote: On 28/02/2016 12:17 PM, Tom Worthington wrote: ... The future I imagine is one where people use data when out and about ... Only then? Do you see none being used in homes, businesses, factories ... Yes, I do see data being used in homes, businesses,

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On 29/02/2016 5:55 PM, David Lochrin wrote: > Just for the record... Analogue or digital, 1980's synchronous modem or 2020 > fibre, no matter what the technological cleverness any communication channel > is subject to Shannon's Law. True. > This states that the maximum channel capacity is a

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On 29/02/2016 8:08 AM, JanW wrote: ... Did this project have any sort of project management? This stuff is appalling. You'd think they've never used a spread sheet. ... Over the service life of a full-fibre network, how much will Malcolm's Muddle cost Australia in lost opportunities and excess

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At 12:10 AM 29/02/2016, Andy Farkas wrote: >"Under the heading "Commercial in Confidence: Scale the Deployment Program", >the report outlines a plethora of faults, including that delays in power >approvals and construction are being caused by electricity companies which >account for 38,537

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At 12:26 AM 29/02/2016, Andy Farkas you wrote: >28 February 2016 > >nbn rejects claims that the company is at risk of not meeting its targets..." > >...also getting ahead of themselves re dates? Am listening to it on ABC AM right now. What a crock of crap. Sounds like Alan Joyce, he of

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On 28/02/2016 23:10, Andy Farkas wrote: < http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nbn-malcolm-turnbulls-faster-cheaper-rollout-falters-20160228-gn5l0s.html> Ha ha! The NBN PR department respond! <

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On 28/02/2016 18:14, Janet Hawtin wrote: What kind of nbn would they be building? Not a very good one by the look of it: < http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nbn-malcolm-turnbulls-faster-cheaper-rollout-falters-20160228-gn5l0s.html> "Under the heading "Commercial in

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I saw some old photographs of the ditches dug on East Terrace in Adelaide. I do not know if they were putting in water, sewage or both but the hole was thorough, deep enough to stand in and dug by hand. The rail infrastructure across the country was equally thorough. What kind of nbn would they be

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On 28/02/2016 12:17 PM, Tom Worthington wrote: ... The future I imagine is one where people use data when out and about, Only then? Do you see none being used in homes, businesses, factories and the like? ... High speed broadband limited to home seems to me lacking in imagination: a quaint

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On 27/02/16 05:07, Frank O'Connor wrote: It’s a bit sad really that we can’t imagine a dynamic future ... And I think that is Tom’s problem … not enough imagination. The future I imagine is one where people use data when out and about, which I think is "dynamic". High speed broadband limited

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:( ) Thus even the 'mobile future' requires a FTTP network. Gerard From: Link <link-boun...@mailman.anu.edu.au> on behalf of JanW <jw...@internode.on.net> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 9:15 AM To: link Subject: Re: [LINK] How fast is the NB

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At 05:07 AM 27/02/2016, Frank O'Connor wrote: >And no matter what you say … the range of radio frequencies (and hence >cchannel and data carrying capacity) is vastly limited compared to it’s >electromagnetic cousin, light. And that doesn’t even begin to look at >problems of scalability,

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On 26/02/2016 3:17 PM, Karl Auer wrote: In IT there are only three useful values for bandwidth, RAM, CPU cycles and disk space - "not enough", "enough", and "I don't know". There is another relevant parameter when it comes to infrastructure: power. The useful value of which is "as low as

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On 26/02/16 15:41, Andy Farkas wrote: On 26/02/2016 14:17, Karl Auer wrote: Implementing such technologies when we already have technologies available with upper limits so far away we can barely see them is stupidity that defies credence. Regards, K. Portugal is rolling out a 8Mbps [*]

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All we get is a guarantee of a lousy "up to" 25Mbps. And to top it off we are paying an unknown huge amount of money to keep the FTTN up to scratch: < http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2016/2/26/technology/counting-costs-nbn-copper> "NBN Co boss Bill Morrow found himself in a

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On 26/02/2016 14:17, Karl Auer wrote: Implementing such technologies when we already have technologies available with upper limits so far away we can barely see them is stupidity that defies credence. Regards, K. Portugal is rolling out a 8Mbps [*] fibre to the home network. I'd like to

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On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 14:34 +1100, David Boxall wrote (quoting someone): > > That 15 GB is an overestimate... > No, it isn't. Rural, regional and remote students typically exceed it. It doesn't matter whether it's over or under. It's TODAY. This network is supposed to take us years into the

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At 08:30 AM 26/02/2016, Tom Worthington wrote: >The Australian Government estimates that "... a typical distance education >student will download 15 to 20 gigabytes (GB) of data in a month" (Fletcher, >2015):

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On 24/02/16 23:11, Glen Turner wrote: ... speakers, games consoles, televisions, PVRs, blueray players all > want internet. Even the water systems ... doorbells. ... PVRs, blueray players, water systems and doorbells are are only going to be sending a few bytes or kilobytes of control data

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On 02/23/2016 02:06 PM, David Boxall wrote: > If memory serves, our NBN is supposed to be "finished" by 2020. In > reality, it looks like we'll need to go back to the beginning and start > over before that year. > > > Did they

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On 25/02/2016 09:00, JanW wrote: > At 09:52 AM 25/02/2016, Andy Farkas you wrote: > >> All ISPs are required by law to do this, at 50%, 85%, and 100%. >> >> > Isn't that only mobile

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At 09:52 AM 25/02/2016, Andy Farkas you wrote: >All ISPs are required by law to do this, at 50%, 85%, and 100%. > > Isn't that only mobile data? I'm on ADSL at home. And the warning

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On 25/02/2016 07:48, JanW wrote: > I got my first 'warning' re date quota use last month, which I thought > was a nice touch from internode. All ISPs are required by law to do this, at 50%, 85%, and 100%.

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> Rod Tucker's info-graphic for The Conversation envisages a typical > Australian home in 2020 having a tablet computer, a laptop, four > smartphones and three TVs, all in use simultaneously: > https://theconversation.com/infographic-how-fast-is-the-nbn-54392 Hi Tom Rod's wrong (sorry mate).

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On 23/02/16 14:06, David Boxall wrote: > ... go back to the beginning and start over ... Our governments keep flipping between FTTN and FTTH. Perhaps NBN Co should install Composite Fiber/Copper Cable, to accommodate both. ;-) Rod Tucker's info-graphic for The Conversation envisages a typical

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On 23/02/2016 13:06, David Boxall wrote: > If memory serves, our NBN is supposed to be "finished" by 2020. In > reality, it looks like we'll need to go back to the beginning and start > over before that year. > > > Did they really

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On 07/05/13 17:16, Andy Farkas wrote: http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/ -andyf it moved me to share with twitter and linkedin ... I stopped short of google+ and facebook. thanks Andy cheers brenda -- Brenda Aynsley, FACS CP, ACS Honorary Life Member Chair IFIP International Professional