Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

2013-12-18 Thread Kim Holburn
When you can communicate via email to someone who is not technical then maybe but at the moment, gpg/pgp is not ready for non-tech use. Even techs find it hard to use. On 2013/Dec/18, at 10:27 PM, Karl Auer wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 21:35 +1100, Kim Holburn wrote: Indeed Jim, you and

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

2013-12-18 Thread Richard Archer
On 18/12/13 6:10 PM, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: And right now breaking https takes time and processing grunt If https was secure, the NSA wouldn't allow it to exist. ...R. ___ Link mailing list Link@mailman.anu.edu.au

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

2013-12-18 Thread Jim Birch
On 18 December 2013 18:10, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: Maybe. Although I respect this opinion, personal responsibility matters. I have a quote on this that I lifted from somewhere :) Auer's Theorem: Any solution that involves everybody will fail. I might be misrepresenting Karl but to me

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

2013-12-18 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 09:19 +1100, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: On 18/12/2013 10:27 PM, Karl Auer wrote: This does not protect the fact of an email exchange, the time of the exchange, the received list and so on, but it completely protects the content of the message. Not even the

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy, including online privacy, is a human right

2013-12-17 Thread Frank O'Connor
Right, And how far is that likely to go with our new Human Rights Commissioner? :) Non-issue for Australians I'm afraid ... we no longer have any human rights. Just my 2 cents worth ... --- On 18 Dec 2013, at 8:42 am, Kim Holburn k...@holburn.net wrote:

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy, including online privacy, is a human right

2013-12-17 Thread Kim Holburn
On 2013/Dec/18, at 8:49 AM, Frank O'Connor wrote: Right, And how far is that likely to go with our new Human Rights Commissioner? :) He'll be a champion of freedom of speech for rich Australians and US citizens who run our press? Non-issue for Australians I'm afraid ... we

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy, including online privacy, is a human right

2013-12-17 Thread Frank O'Connor
I'm thinking you're an incurable optimist, Jan A couple of years back, he and the IPA were actively advocating destroying the Human Rights Commission when it failed to act on behalf of Andrew Bolt after his slanderous, libellous and unsubstantiated allegations against a number of aboriginal

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy, including online privacy, is a human right

2013-12-17 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 09:33 AM 18/12/2013, Frank O'Connor wrote: The bottom line is that certain inalienable rights are awarded under a Bill of Rights, and in the case of the US these are also backed up by the Constitution and its amendments. In Australia we have nothing. Of course, given the number of times the

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy, including online privacy, is a human right

2013-12-17 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 09:44 AM 18/12/2013, Frank O'Connor wrote: And ... aside from being conservatively opinionated and a stirrer, what were Tim Wilson's other qualifications for the job? What academic qualifications does he hold? What work experience has he had in the field? I looked him up.

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

2013-12-17 Thread stephen
Jim writes, This (U.S. court challenge) actually seems a little more hopeful than individual encryption actions (most people won't do this stuff) ... Maybe. Although I respect this opinion, personal responsibility matters. Indeed Jim, you and anyone can have state-of-the-art email privacy