Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-25 Thread David Boxall
Tim Wilson communicates in his own way: https://www.cessnockadvertiser.com.au/story/5541491/government-mp-opts-out-of-e-health-record/ -- David Boxall| For when the One Great Scorer comes | To mark against your name, http://david.boxall.id.au

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-19 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:04:06AM +1000, Jim Birch wrote: > Suppose, for example, the government billed anyone without a MyHR record the > full cost of unnecessary duplicate tests, would this change attitudes. That sounds like coercion, and punishment of those who exercise their right to opt out

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-19 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
I wrote that APF quote at the bottom, a while ago. I also wrote these, more recently. https://privacy.org.au/campaigns/myhr/for-sale-your-privacy-and-your-health-data/ https://privacy.org.au/campaigns/myhr/opt-out-of-my-health-record/the-truth-about-my-health-record/ https://privacy.org.au/campaig

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-19 Thread David
On Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:44:43 AEST Jim Birch wrote: > This is the version 1.0 product. It's actually V2.0. The AMA published this press release on 15th Oct 2015: "The Government has proposed that Practice Incentive Program e-health payments be tied to doctor use of the MyHealth Record (My

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-19 Thread David
On Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:24:13 AEST Karl Auer wrote: > But it has to be done the right way. Setting up a massive, poorly controlled, > poorly secured, poorly managed and poorly curated helth database on all > Australians is not the way. It's not just a V1.0 problem, it is a > fundamentally

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread David Boxall
On 19/07/2018 3:44 PM, Jim Birch wrote: This is the version 1.0 product. ... Looks more like an alpha to me. Making a half-baked system opt-out smacks of desperation. First Dog speaks: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/19/opt-out-cassandra-the-information-technology-wobbegong

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2018-07-19 at 15:44 +1000, Jim Birch wrote: > This is the version 1.0 product. Yep. And Rule Number One is, never deploy v1.0. > Declaring that it is no use and never will be seems perhaps a little > too grandiose to me. That's a straw man. MyHR's usefulness is certainly in serious doubt

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Jim Birch
This is the version 1.0 product. ATM it contains very little information but is obviously going to expand. This will take time given history, legacy systems, resistance to change, risks, etc. Declaring that it is no use and never will be seems perhaps a little too grandiose to me. Change induce

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread David
On Thursday, 19 July 2018 11:01:23 AEST Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > I agree [that the fundamental reasons for centralised medical records are > cost savings and better health care]. My Health Record isn't one of them, > its a summary system that required significant GP effort to input and

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2018-07-19 at 10:04 +1000, Jim Birch wrote: > [some stuff] The whole system is founded on a huge betrayal - saying it would be opt-in, then flipping it to opt-out. The many so-called controls turn out on closer inspection to be useless. Permissions must be applied on a document-by-documen

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 19/07/2018 10:04 AM, Jim Birch wrote: > I would have thought that the fundamental reason for centralised medical > records is cost savings and better health care. I agree. My Health Record isn't one of them, its a summary system that required significant GP effort to input and interpret data.

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
gt; From: Link On Behalf Of Dr Bob Jansen (in > Korea) > Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2018 3:02 PM > To: link@mailman.anu.edu.au > Subject: Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out > > Why not use a chip inside our Medicare card? We need it for treatment anyway > so why not have a sys

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Tom Worthington
On 18/07/18 10:37, David wrote: ... chronic condition which rendered them unable to talk about it in an emergency situation. ... In 2008 I was found on the floor of my office and taken to hospital by ambulance. It would have been useful to have an electronic medical record, but it would have

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Jim Birch
I would have thought that the fundamental reason for centralised medical records is cost savings and better health care. It isn't just about you personally. It's the aggregate effects that a government should be interested in, i.e. better value from health spending (which if you haven't noticed i

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Peter O'Halloran
my own and are not the official view of my employer). -Original Message- From: Link On Behalf Of Dr Bob Jansen (in Korea) Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2018 3:02 PM To: link@mailman.anu.edu.au Subject: Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out Why not use a chip inside our Medicare card? We need it

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread Dr Bob Jansen
David, The pin or access code needs only to be given to the current clinician and they would use it for the duration of the current treatment. I assume that after a few patients, the clinician would never remember the access codes for all. I agree with your statement about the need though. I

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-18 Thread David
On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:01:58 AEST Dr Bob Jansen (in Korea) wrote: > Why not use a chip inside our Medicare card? We need it for treatment anyway > so why not have a system wherein the treating clinician uploads their notes > or discharge summary into that chip. Then security is dependent

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-17 Thread JLWhitaker
On 18/07/2018 3:01 PM, Dr Bob Jansen (in Korea) wrote: Why not use a chip inside our Medicare card? We need it for treatment anyway so why not have a system wherein the treating clinician uploads their notes or discharge summary into that chip. Then security is dependent on physical access with

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-17 Thread Dr Bob Jansen (in Korea)
Why not use a chip inside our Medicare card? We need it for treatment anyway so why not have a system wherein the treating clinician uploads their notes or discharge summary into that chip. Then security is dependent on physical access with presumably some sort of PIN/Biometric. Chip can be scr

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-17 Thread David Boxall
There's an ongoing discussion on the Consumer's Association site: https://choice.community/t/myhealth-record-coming-to-us-like-it-or-not/15714/31 -- David Boxall| I have seen the past da...@boxall.name | And it worked. http://david.boxall.id.au |

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-17 Thread Andy Farkas
On 18/07/2018 13:25, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: And people can take photos of their meds, or cut up a bit of the box it comes in and put it in their wallet or purse, or write it down.. And you don't need the internet or computer skills. And a lot safer than giving your data to the gover

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-17 Thread David Boxall
On 16/07/2018 10:44 AM, Roger Clarke wrote: The government is imposing a scheme called MyHR (My Health Record). ... A comforting observation from Crikey: The bureaucrat overseeing My Health Record presided over a disaster-plagued national health record system in the UK, and has written passio

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-17 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 18/07/2018 10:37 AM, David wrote: > On 16/07/2018 10:44 AM, Roger Clarke wrote: >> This record is all-but useless for patient care. It's purpose is to enable >> government agencies to get access to people's health care data. > The only potential value I can see might relate to someone with a c

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-17 Thread David
On 16/07/2018 10:44 AM, Roger Clarke wrote: > This record is all-but useless for patient care. It's purpose is to enable > government agencies to get access to people's health care data. The only potential value I can see might relate to someone with a chronic condition which rendered them unab

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-17 Thread Andy Farkas
On 16/07/2018 10:44, Roger Clarke wrote: Here's the information page provided by the Australian Privacy Foundation: https://privacy.org.au/campaigns/myhr/ It contains a considerable amount of information that the government has failed to communicate to the public. Confidence level decreasing

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-15 Thread kheitman
Hey Russia, if you're listening, how about opting us all out? --- -- kheit...@kheitman.com.www.kheitman.com -- On 2018-07-16 10:33, Kim Holburn wrote: > If you kno

Re: [LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-15 Thread Kim Holburn
If you know someone's name, dob, license number and medicare number, you can opt them out without them even knowing. > On 2018/Jul/16, at 10:44 am, Roger Clarke wrote: > > The government is imposing a scheme called MyHR (My Health Record). > > This record is all-but useless for patient care.

[LINK] Urgent: MyHR Opt-Out

2018-07-15 Thread Roger Clarke
The government is imposing a scheme called MyHR (My Health Record). This record is all-but useless for patient care. It's purpose is to enable government agencies to get access to people's health care data. The project failed to attract people to opt-in, i.e. provide consent. So the government