Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-06 Thread Andy Farkas
> Locally, it seems that the wireless towers are being inter-connected by > microwave links in a somewhat redundant network which I assume would > have more than one fibre trunk. But there's probably scope for > congestion on the uWave connections. According to the nbn design rules[0] each tower

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-06 Thread David Lochrin
On 2015-09-07 11:39 Paul Brooks wrote: > On 7/09/2015 9:54 AM, JanW wrote: >> [...] >> Demand will change that. > Only if the number of premises in the tower footprint changes dramatically - > someone combines four properties into a few hundred chalets, each needing > their own dedicated connec

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-06 Thread Paul Brooks
On 7/09/2015 9:54 AM, JanW wrote: > At 09:40 AM 7/09/2015, David Lochrin wrote: > >> A late comment... The technical person at an NBN roadshow here in the >> Highlands, where wireless will be employed in some of the outlying hamlets, >> told me each registered wireless user is assigned a dedicat

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-06 Thread JanW
At 09:40 AM 7/09/2015, David Lochrin wrote: >A late comment... The technical person at an NBN roadshow here in the >Highlands, where wireless will be employed in some of the outlying hamlets, >told me each registered wireless user is assigned a dedicated channel so >there's no congestion. I u

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-06 Thread David Lochrin
On 2015-09-01 11:34 David Boxall wrote: > On 31/08/2015 9:39 PM, Craig Sanders wrote: >> ... >> when the wifi gets congested, ... > Does NBN fixed wireless employ WiFi protocols? I understood it to be > dedicated, focused beams. As far as congestion is concerned, is NBN fixed > wireless any wors

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never, wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-02 Thread JanW
At 09:50 AM 3/09/2015, David Boxall you wrote: >>> Maybe we need an independent body for infrastructure, to get away from >>> the short-term political mindset. I guess that's a forlorn hope. >> >> It would end up like Utopia's NBA (which is on right now) >> ... > >Suggestions? > >We do seem to be g

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never, wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-02 Thread David Boxall
On 2/09/2015 9:12 PM, JanW wrote: > At 08:48 PM 2/09/2015, David Boxall wrote: > >> Maybe we need an independent body for infrastructure, to get away from >> the short-term political mindset. I guess that's a forlorn hope. > > It would end up like Utopia's NBA (which is on right now) > ... Suggesti

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never, wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-02 Thread JanW
At 08:48 PM 2/09/2015, David Boxall wrote: >Maybe we need an independent body for infrastructure, to get away from >the short-term political mindset. I guess that's a forlorn hope. It would end up like Utopia's NBA (which is on right now) I write books. http://janwhitaker.com/?page_id=8 Mel

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never, wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-02 Thread David Boxall
On 2/09/2015 3:37 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: > Sorry you cannot simply distinguish technical difficulties as being > binary (everything is technically possible, or not) because technical > solutions come with differing costs - which is not solely a political > issue. Doing the engineering for any p

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 03:51:12PM +0930, Glen Turner wrote: > There's not much uncompressed data by volume on the Internet. Sizeable > data has already been compressed, often by an algorithm which performs > better than a general-purpose compression algorithm -- JPEG, GIF, PNG, > MP3, H.264 video,

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never, wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-02 Thread Jim Birch
Chris Johnson wrote: Doing the engineering for any problem means finding a > technically feasible and sufficient solution at an acceptable cost.. > All expenditure should ideally be judged in terms of opportunity cost, that is, the loss of other alternatives that the money could be used for. If

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-01 Thread Glen Turner
Tom Worthington wrote: > Perhaps someone can answer a question about the current NBN "Interim > Satellite Service" (ISS): Why is compression OFF by default? It's a reasonable design choice. Probably the one I'd make as it's a can of worms for little benefit. There's not much uncompressed data by

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never, wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-09-01 Thread Chris Johnson
Sorry you cannot simply distinguish technical difficulties as being binary (everything is technically possible, or not) because technical solutions come with differing costs - which is not solely a political issue. Doing the engineering for any problem means finding a technically feasible and suf

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-31 Thread JanW
At 12:31 PM 1/09/2015, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: >And unlike changing a government, which can happen almost overnight, we >will have to live with this monstrosity for years until it gets replaced >with what it should have been in the first place. And at great expense >and annoyance to many w

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-31 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 1/09/2015 11:51 AM, Karl Auer wrote: > Can we PLEASE stop assuming that the difficulties are technical? > They are political, and only ever were. Totally agree. There is a room in the NBN offices in North Sydney. It shows a number of different solutions. The first is fibre to the premises. I

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-31 Thread Karl Auer
On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 11:34 +1000, David Boxall wrote: > On 31/08/2015 10:39 PM, Andy Farkas wrote: > > I'm in rural Queensland. Fibre is not an option. The idea that some places "just can't be reached by fibre" is just plain wrong. (I know you didn't say that Andy - your email was just the trigge

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-31 Thread David Boxall
On 31/08/2015 10:39 PM, Andy Farkas wrote: >... > I'm in rural Queensland. Fibre is not an option. > ... Over what time-frame? I'm old enough to remember party lines and overhead wires across paddocks. We ended up with underground copper in some pretty remote parts. Where there's copper, why can

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-31 Thread Andy Farkas
On 08/31/15 21:39, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:19:25PM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote: >> VoIP over FW works ok (latency is negligible). I set it up for someone >> last week. > what you should have said there is that VOIP over FW *can* work OK. > > when the wifi gets congested, thou

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-31 Thread Karl Auer
On Mon, 2015-08-31 at 21:39 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > IIRC, NBN wifi is > using the same unlicensed spectrum as home/office wifi I'm pretty sure (but not actually sure) that that's wrong. Or maybe half-wrong. The original plan was to use 2.3GHz+, but that didn't pass the giggle test, so 3.5G

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-31 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:19:25PM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote: > VoIP over FW works ok (latency is negligible). I set it up for someone > last week. what you should have said there is that VOIP over FW *can* work OK. when the wifi gets congested, though, congestion-related latency will cause it to

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-30 Thread Tom Worthington
On 30/08/15 11:26, Karl Auer wrote: > ... Probably because compression costs CPU. Like any communications device, > a satellite is fastest when it can just ship stuff in and out. If it has > to process what it ships, it slows down. Also, CPU is energy, and a > satellite has limited energy. ... As

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-30 Thread Andy Farkas
On 08/30/15 11:06, JanW wrote: > "static" one-way retrievals won't be impacted from a perception perspective > (sorry for the repetition), but it will be horrible for voice comms, which > presumably will be part of the imposed package??? As per urban areas where > all comms are shifted to NBN an

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-29 Thread Karl Auer
On Sun, 2015-08-30 at 10:29 +1000, Tom Worthington wrote: > Perhaps someone can answer a question about the current NBN "Interim > Satellite Service" (ISS): Why is compression OFF by default? [...] > Why would compression limit the speed of the service? Probably because compression costs CPU. Lik

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-29 Thread JanW
At 10:29 AM 30/08/2015, Tom Worthington you wrote: >but expresses some concern about how well the up-link will work: >https://theconversation.com/internet-in-space-nbns-plan-to-bring-broadband-to-rural-australia-46618 So, the latency that the NBN satellite spokesperson poo-pooed could be OVER a f

Re: [LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-29 Thread Tom Worthington
On 29/08/15 10:39, Jan Whitaker wrote: > ... upload of 5Mbps works ... household will need an uplink ... Yes, the customers will have an up-link to the new NBN Sky Muster satellites. Thas Ampalavanapillai Nirmalathas discusses the details in "Internet in space: nbn’s plan to bring broadband to rur

[LINK] web: The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

2015-08-28 Thread Jan Whitaker
Can any linkers explain in a nutshell how the upload of 5Mbps works? Seems for this to happen (for each customer) that each household will need an uplink or at minimum a back channel via landlines or something to the satellite. I can't get my head around this and I've worked w/ satellite service