Andrew Wiley wrote:
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:23 PM, John Summerfield
deb...@herakles.homelinux.org wrote:
What kind of terminal equipment will they be using?
Students would access their VM's through SSH.
3. What would they be doing?
Each VM will probably have a webserver hosting
I've been following this thread with interest. Having done a couple of CBA's
for similar ideas, its unlikely that the old mainframe, regardless of what it
is, including the 7060's, competes with a VMWARE like configuration running on
commodity hardware like an Intel box. I know of several
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John Summerfield wrote:
This isn't really the place to discuss these diffulties, it's sufficient
to say that virtualisation on Linux isn't ready yet. Not with XEN, not
work KVM and not using the vir* tools.
Mhh ... I'd say this depends to extent
On 3/23/09 4:46 PM, Erik N Johnson e...@uptownmilitia.com wrote:
By the same token, although Sun will insist that Solaris is 'open
source' and will show the same types of development speed up that
people have so often cited Linux for, it's barely open source.
I can certainly attest to this
dtrace analogue in Linux. Dtrace is just too cool to be without -- I hope
that if IBM does buy Sun that they contribute the dtrace code to
open-source. It'd save a lot of time. ZFS, too.
I've yet to come across something that I couldn't do with systemtap (on
x86 at least that dtrace could have
I am very new to Linux and am trying to install Linux on an LAPR on a
z9BC.
I can load the initial Kernel by putting the CD (CD1) into the CD-ROM
drive on the HMC and perform a Lad from CD.
After setting up the network the Linux kernel wants to read the rest of
CD1. If I tell him to use
I copied the install files to my PC and ran an ftp server on my PC to
complete the install. I used a freebe ftp server called FileZilla.
Russell Jones
ANPAC
System Programmer
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IIRC, when Linux390 first came out, parts of it were object only, closed
source. Has this changed? If not maybe complaints about closed source
in Solaris are not so reasonable.
David Boyes wrote:
On 3/23/09 4:46 PM, Erik N Johnson e...@uptownmilitia.com wrote:
I can certainly attest to
2009/3/26 Carey Tyler Schug sqrfolk...@comcast.net:
IIRC, when Linux390 first came out, parts of it were object only, closed
source. Has this changed? If not maybe complaints about closed source
in Solaris are not so reasonable.
Makes you wonder why how RedHat, Novell, Slackware and Debian
On 3/25/2009 at 3:27 PM, Carey Tyler Schug sqrfolk...@comcast.net wrote:
IIRC, when Linux390 first came out, parts of it were object only, closed
source. Has this changed?
That has not been the case for a good number of years now.
Mark Post
qdio and the 3590 drivers *used* to be closed source.
On 3/25/09 3:27 PM, Carey Tyler Schug sqrfolk...@comcast.net wrote:
IIRC, when Linux390 first came out, parts of it were object only, closed
source. Has this changed? If not maybe complaints about closed source
in Solaris are not so
On 3/25/09 2:45 PM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
a best of both worlds would
work and indeed perhaps moving to GPLv2 so code can be shared).
Amen to that. As cool as it is, dtrace syntax is fugly. That is one
advantage for systemtap. I've had a lot of stability problems with
You can only do the initial boot from the HMC. All the rest of the code
installation has to be done from a remote workstation. The error -1 is
likely to be either a bad exports file or no name resolution.
Wrt to getting VM, talk to your IBM rep. It is very easy to get z/VM as a
trial system for a
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Martin, Larry D ldmar...@co.pg.md.us wrote:
I am very new to Linux and am trying to install Linux on an LAPR on a
z9BC.
I can load the initial Kernel by putting the CD (CD1) into the CD-ROM
drive on the HMC and perform a Lad from CD.
After setting up the
On 3/25/2009 at 3:36 PM, Andrej andrej.gro...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/26 Carey Tyler Schug sqrfolk...@comcast.net:
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Makes you wonder why how RedHat, Novell, Slackware and Debian co-operated
on this, doesn't it :}
Why? Almost every Linux distribution has made exceptions to their own
AFAIK (and with a lot of help from various organizations), all the IBM closed
source bits are now gone from Linux (or have open source alternatives). The
source may not be very readable/usable (cf the QDIO driver code for a prime
example), but it is there. The other distinction is that you
On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Mark Post wrote:
Why? Almost every Linux distribution has made exceptions to their
own rules. Just look at Java. Up until recently, it was not open
source, but it gets included anyway. As far as Slack/390 goes, that
was my project, and although I didn't like
On 3/25/09 3:43 PM, Mark Post mp...@novell.com wrote:
If it hadn't been for the cooperation IBM
received, the open source proponents inside of IBM would never have gotten the
code released. Sometimes compromise and patience win in the end. It
certainly did this time.
Along with a number
Debian doesn't exist to provide a commercial operating system. Debian
has only one purpose, to provide a fully free operating system, which
is why no other GNU/Linux distribution has such a strong relationship
with the FSF or the GNU project. Complaining that Debian does waht it
is their mission
Yeah but.. that's where distros based on Debian come in. Personally, I
like the idea of an open source only distro that you expound upon with
closed AND open source packages to focus on a particular need/audience
(e.g. Ubuntu and desktop)
Scott
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Adam Thornton
Of course. Debian is only practical in the real world for a handful
of things. But there is nobody in all of GNU/Linux who doesn't
benefit from the work done by these people. The majority of kernel
code comes from paid developers it's true, but the Debian project
submits plenty of patches. The
On 3/25/09 4:26 PM, Erik N Johnson e...@uptownmilitia.com wrote:
There was community interest WELL before IBM became involved and there
still remains an almost complete (fully free, community-based) port to
the System/370.
Thank you. It's nice to see that someone still remembers our early
On 3/25/2009 at 4:26 PM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote:
-snip-
Guess I'm just in a bad mood, but there's no good will involved here. As the
Book of Chuckie 5:23 tells us, it's a business decision that moves IBM.
Nothing personal.
Who said anything about good will? If the Linux
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:27:00 -0500
Carey Tyler Schug sqrfolk...@comcast.net wrote:
IIRC, when Linux390 first came out, parts of it were object only, closed
source. Has this changed? If not maybe complaints about closed source
in Solaris are not so reasonable.
Oh it changed - a mix of arm
I may have been misunderstood.
It peeves me that my web browser has to be called Iceweasel, but
almost all of my internal infrastructure is running Debian. That's
because maintenance and updates and local configuration-without-having-
it-clobbered-by-an-upgrade all works *so* much more easily
Which is why they, and many other large corporations have PR
departments. They understand how 'the perception of' goodwill towards
man affects their sales AND stock.
Erik Johnson
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote:
On 3/25/09 3:43 PM, Mark Post
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:44 AM, John Summerfield
deb...@herakles.homelinux.org wrote:
Okay, here is what I think.
Count the cost.
Do you get a full, working system? If not, there are extra costs for the
bits that are missing.
We're still trying to figure this out, hopefully we'll get a
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David Boyes wrote:
and maybe
get rid of RPM too...8-) (The Nexenta guys did a super job with adapting APT
to Solaris.)
I consistently see this complaint, and it really rubs me wrong. Why
does everyone compare rpm to apt? Wouldn't rpm to deb be
Patrick Spinler wrote:
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David Boyes wrote:
and maybe
get rid of RPM too...8-) (The Nexenta guys did a super job with adapting APT
to Solaris.)
I consistently see this complaint, and it really rubs me wrong. Why
does everyone compare rpm to apt?
Adam Thornton wrote:
On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Mark Post wrote:
Why? Almost every Linux distribution has made exceptions to their
own rules. Just look at Java. Up until recently, it was not open
source, but it gets included anyway. As far as Slack/390 goes, that
was my project, and
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