Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Leland Lucius
Mark Post wrote: On 9/22/2009 at 11:35 PM, Leland Lucius wrote: Is it being removed entirely or will distros be providing it? First, let's distinguish between CMM-1 and CMM-2/CMMA. It is the latter that is being dropped by IBM. It will remain in the distribution versions in which it curre

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Barton Robinson
So you should probably measure the two before deciding on which one you want to keep. CMM-1 has very positive results, cmma not so positive. Leland Lucius wrote: Mark Post wrote: On 9/22/2009 at 11:35 PM, Leland Lucius wrote: Is it being removed entirely or will distros be providing it? Fir

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Leland Lucius
Barton Robinson wrote: So you should probably measure the two before deciding on which one you want to keep. CMM-1 has very positive results, cmma not so positive. At the risk of bringing on the wrath of the performance gods, I just have to say that I'm not really interested in measuring whethe

Re: Linux and z/VM Wiki

2009-09-23 Thread John Summerfield
Jack Woehr wrote: John Summerfield wrote: Who should, sensibly, assume that this site speaks for any part of the Linux community? Well, the Linux on z/VM community. It needs a wiki. It's a good idea. It's a shame you quoted me without context. -- Cheers John -- spambait 1...@coco.mers

Re: Linux and z/VM Wiki

2009-09-23 Thread Jack Woehr
John Summerfield wrote: Jack Woehr wrote: John Summerfield wrote: Who should, sensibly, assume that this site speaks for any part of the Linux community? Well, the Linux on z/VM community. It needs a wiki. It's a good idea. It's a shame you quoted me without context. Wasn't the intent, Jo

Re: OpenSolaris and Luminex

2009-09-23 Thread David Boyes
> Is OpenSolaris on zLinux viable or is it still in early development? Well, we think so. It's been very stable so far. It's available, with support, etc. Drop me a note offlist and let's see what can be done. -- db -- For

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Sam Bass
I was wondering how you turn on each of the offerings. I have looked in several manuals and they talk about and compare the CMM offerings, but they were not specific on implementation. We load the CMM module via /etc/sysconfig/kernel MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT="vmcp cmm" So what is it that we have tu

Re: Linux and z/VM Wiki

2009-09-23 Thread David Boyes
> for anything new one has to go looking. > > In contrast, everything on this list arrives in my inbox. I see > everything, choose what to read, respond where I feel the urge. If it > was a wiki, I'd be battling to keep up, I'd probably just fall away. General rant aside, I think that's the point

Re: Linux and z/VM Wiki

2009-09-23 Thread Martha McConaghy
Wow..I don't really know how this discussion got so far off-base. For several years now, there has been a lot of discussion in the z/VM community about the need to have a place to collect the "wisdom of the elders", i.e. the knowledge and experience of those of us who have been doing this a lo

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Sam, > We load the CMM module via > /etc/sysconfig/kernel > MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT="vmcp cmm" > > So what is it that we have turned on? Good question. You've turned on CMM1 on Linux, but as I understand it, there must also be a *collaborative* piece enabled on z/VM. In both the latest Virtualizat

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Hall, Ken (GTS)
We tried CMM-1 a month or two ago on a single guest. Without VMRM, there's nothing for it to talk to, so it does nothing. (It works by having VMRM send it notices to decrease working set size.) With it enabled on one guest, on a machine slightly memory constrained, it drove the memory utilization

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread dave
This presentation might be of some interest to those looking at the CMM-1 and CMM2/CMMA options: http://www.linuxvm.org/Present/SHARE113/S9272lj.pdf Enjoy. DJ - Original Message - From: "Hall, Ken (GTS)" To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

Re: Linux and z/VM Wiki

2009-09-23 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 9/23/2009 at 1:36 AM, "Douglas M. Wooster" wrote: -snip- > I'm sure one could use a Wiki as a discussion > forum, but it really seems better suited to developing, storing, and > searching reference material. I'm not sure how this meme got started, but nobody is advocating moving general

Re: Linux and z/VM Wiki

2009-09-23 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 9/23/2009 at 9:51 AM, David Boyes wrote: -snip- > I like the idea of user created documentation, but maybe there's a way to > notify this list with a summary of updates every so often. That would > ameliorate some of my crankyness. The RecentChanges page has an RSS feed button on it.

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Hall, Ken (GTS)
All of our RHEL4 guests are pre-update-7 and unlikely to be upgraded any time soon. I think I've seen this doc before. Thanks though. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:35 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MA

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Barton Robinson
Mike, CMM does require a collaborative piece. Or one can tune the system manually with CMM commands, but that gets boring. VMRM should have been enough, but it has very poor feed back mechanisms, and has no clue about what is happening inside Linux. It is thus severely limited, has lots of repor

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 9/23/2009 at 10:51 AM, Michael MacIsaac wrote: -snip- > Good question. You've turned on CMM1 on Linux, but as I understand it, > there must also be a *collaborative* piece enabled on z/VM. If you want to have the size of the "balloon" dynamically changed with insight from the z/VM perspe

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Barton, I wrote, > ... could you point to some numbers ... You replied, but I don't see a reference to any numbers. You wrote in a reply: > VMRM should have been enough, but it has very poor feed back > mechanisms, and has no clue about what is happening inside Linux. And: > With that in mind, wi

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Xenia Tkatschow
I'm curious that Barton wrote on August 28th: > VMRM has taken so much storage away from servers that the > server or application dies. I would HIGHLY recommend against using it. z/VM has recently documented how to keep VMRM from eating up too much memory, though the mechansim to do so has bee

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Barton Robinson
Xenia, wouldn't it be better if VMRM didn't have to depend on users remembering to do this as their workload changes? If they have one large server say with a large oracle application, the minimum value setting would have to be the minimum for this server? So all servers are treated and trimmed eq

SLES 11 ECKD DASD issue

2009-09-23 Thread Guyer, Jim
Hello, I'm trying to install SLES 11 on our z/VM 5.3 system. When I get to the DASD Disk Management page to activate/format the disks, the system fails to bring them active. When I SSH in they aren't online and I have the messages in the log: dasd: 0.0.0201: default ERP in fastpath (4 retries

Re: When will CMMA be removed from the kernel?

2009-09-23 Thread Michael MacIsaac
> Xenia, wouldn't it be better if VMRM didn't have ... > ... > Our approach is to look in side (sic) the server ... Moderator - order in the court please! Again, we're all trying to do what is best for the z/VM/Linux customer. Let's try to understand the difference between how VMRM and *this oth

Re: SLES 11 ECKD DASD issue

2009-09-23 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 9/23/2009 at 1:38 PM, "Guyer, Jim" wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to install SLES 11 on our z/VM 5.3 system. When I get to the > DASD Disk Management page to activate/format the disks, the system fails > to bring them active. Was CPFMTXA run against them to initialize them? Mark Po

Re: SLES 11 ECKD DASD issue

2009-09-23 Thread Guyer, Jim
Yes. And I tried both formatting at the mini disk level and not formatting the mini disks. Possible I made a mistake with CPFMTXA? The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or