Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-04 Thread Ray Mansell
I looked, and I still have my update to DMSFOR. All it needs is rework to accommodate the intervening quarter-century's worth of changes to the source :-) On 2/3/2015 23:19, Alan Altmark wrote: Hence my comment about revisiting DMSFOR and DMSAUD. So instead of trying to modify the disk such

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-03 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 02/03/2015 at 06:25 EST, Rick Troth ri...@velocitysoftware.com wrote: On 02/02/2015 07:19 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: The protection is in place because of the allocation map. Unlike other files on the disk, it is in a fixed location since it is written during FORMAT and its size

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-03 Thread Vitale, Joseph
- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Ray Mansell Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding Back in those same mid-80s I added code to the FORMAT command

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-03 Thread Ray Mansell
Back in those same mid-80s I added code to the FORMAT command to provide an 'EXTEND' option. You could create a new, larger minidisk, the first cylinders of which were a replica of the old one. Then you could simply FORMAT the new minidisk, specifying the EXTEND option, and it would magically

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-03 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 02/03/2015 at 10:33 EST, Vitale, Joseph joseph.vit...@bnymellon.com wrote: That would be an excellent mod. IBM should incorporate it, upgrade CMS. I understand, but given that it is something easily worked around, I don't see it ever being done. The challenge is to inform the end

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-03 Thread Michael Harding
Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 02/02/2015 04:19:19 PM: From: Alan Altmark/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: 02/02/2015 04:20 PM Subject: Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-03 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 02/03/2015 at 01:43 EST, Michael Harding/Oakland/IBM@IBMUS wrote: I have to take exception. I get that alot, but forgive you. :-) The allocation map like the directory is at heart just another file. Changed block(s) in the allocation map get re-written in a different location as

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-03 Thread Rick Troth
On 02/03/2015 05:45 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: 1. Format the additional cylinders using the same block size as the original. ... Which is not needed if the underlying media is FBA. Since this *is* the Linux/390 discussion, it's fair to explain CMS FORMAT in Linux terms. It is akin to 'mformat'

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-02 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 02/02/2015 at 10:05 EST, Vitale, Joseph joseph.vit...@bnymellon.com wrote: I tried your approach, the number of cylinders never expanded. What I did, all is on CKD IBM 3390-9 disk 1) Expanding mdisk 991 size= 10Cyl.10 free cylinders exist after this mdisk. Want to expand

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-02 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 02/02/2015 at 05:55 EST, Rick Troth ri...@velocitysoftware.com wrote: Evidently, FORMAT makes a note of the number of cylinders it block formatted (the low level phase) first time around. Guessing that is the purpose of ADTMCYL. I should have known. Sorry, Joe. So you can (RECOMP

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-02 Thread Vitale, Joseph
Columbus Drive Floor 14 Jersey City, N.J. 07302 Work 201-395-1509 Cell917-903-0102 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Troth Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 10:39 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Expanding CMS Mini

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-02 Thread Vitale, Joseph
201-395-1509 Cell917-903-0102 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Troth Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 5:55 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding I stand

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-02 Thread Rick Troth
I stand corrected. On 02/02/2015 03:10 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: There is only one way to expand a CMS minidisk: 1. Create new minidisk that is larger than the old one 2. CMS FORMAT the new disk (without the RECOMP option!) 3. Copy the CMS files from the old disk to the new disk ...

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-02 Thread Vitale, Joseph
] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 3:11 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding On Monday, 02/02/2015 at 10:05 EST, Vitale, Joseph joseph.vit...@bnymellon.com wrote: I tried your approach, the number

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-02 Thread Vitale, Joseph
Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? On 01/31/2015 10:37 AM, Vitale, Joseph wrote: Question on expanding a CMS. Normally I create a new mini disk(larger) and use COPYFile Old to New mini disk. That could leave Cylinder gaps on disk when old mini disk is deleted. Gaps, true. But are you wanting

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? - still not expanding

2015-02-02 Thread Rick Troth
On 02/02/2015 09:42 AM, Vitale, Joseph wrote: I tried your approach, the number of cylinders never expanded. What I did, all is on CKD IBM 3390-9 disk Sorry for the confusion. I think they way I wrote that was a little hard to follow. To reduce some of your effort, just DETACH and LINK

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile?

2015-02-01 Thread Rick Troth
On 01/31/2015 10:37 AM, Vitale, Joseph wrote: Question on expanding a CMS. Normally I create a new mini disk(larger) and use COPYFile Old to New mini disk. That could leave Cylinder gaps on disk when old mini disk is deleted. Gaps, true. But are you wanting to enlarge the minidisk

Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile?

2015-01-31 Thread Vitale, Joseph
Hello, Question on expanding a CMS. Normally I create a new mini disk(larger) and use COPYFile Old to New mini disk. That could leave Cylinder gaps on disk when old mini disk is deleted. Is there a procedure that allows me to back up a mini disk and restore to a new larger mini disk,

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile?

2015-01-31 Thread Ronald van der Laan
Joe, If you got DFSMS installed, the DFSMS COPY command followed by a CMS format recomp, is a very nice and fast option to copy one minidisk to a new fresh (unformatted) minidisk. More convinient is of course to use a directory manager... Ronald van der Laan. -- Ronald van der Laan

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile?

2015-01-31 Thread Pedro Principeza
:Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? Sent by:Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Joe, If you got DFSMS installed, the DFSMS COPY command followed by a CMS format recomp, is a very nice and fast option to copy one minidisk to a new fresh (unformatted) minidisk. More

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile?

2015-01-31 Thread Gentry, Steve
Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? Hello, Question on expanding a CMS. Normally I create a new mini disk(larger) and use COPYFile Old to New mini disk. That could leave Cylinder gaps on disk when old mini disk is deleted. Is there a procedure that allows me to back up a mini disk and restore

Re: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile?

2015-01-31 Thread Edward Gilroy
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Vitale, Joseph Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 10:37 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Expanding CMS Mini Disk - DDR or Copyfile? Hello, Question on expanding a CMS. Normally I