Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 8/23/07, Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More seriously, your issue is not with Debian--your problem is that VMware doesn't run on PPC iBooks. Maybe yours, but not mine ;-) My concern is that when going other than the stock kernels that VMware have seen before, I end up compiling my

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-23 Thread Jon Brock
This reminds me of something I saw just the other day. I was looking on the Shire website (found that from Rich Smrcina's SHARE presentation on the web) to see what sort of Hobbit modules were out there now, since I hadn't been able to fool with Hobbit for a while. Turns out there is one module

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-23 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:24 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/23/07, Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More seriously, your issue is not with Debian--your problem is that VMware doesn't run on PPC iBooks. Maybe yours, but not mine ;-) My concern is that when going other than the stock

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-23 Thread Gregg C Levine
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:56 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux Laptops Tom Duerbusch wrote: It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-23 Thread Gregg C Levine
Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:09 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux Laptops Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/6/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-22 Thread John Summerfield
Adam Thornton wrote: On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/8/07, Rod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... That's, er, news to

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-22 Thread John Summerfield
Tom Duerbusch wrote: It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? I think

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-22 Thread John Summerfield
David Heilman wrote: I have had SuSE Linux running on T60's and T40's for the past 3 years. The R series had problems but the T series seems to run great. I am about to try SuSE on a Gateway Notepad to see how well that works. I'm running OpenSUSE 10.2 on a R40. Had to add madwifi for the

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-22 Thread John Summerfield
Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/6/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today there are very few laptops on the market, the rest is configuration and packaging. Its Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + intel wireless (aka Centrino), Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + other wireless, AMD + ATI +

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-22 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:10 AM, John Summerfield wrote: Adam Thornton wrote: On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/8/07, Rod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-22 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 9:59 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Virtual PC, however, *does*, and it's not terrible (although it's pretty crash-prone), Ok, explain to me how something that is pretty crash-prone is _not_ terrible? Mark Post

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-22 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Mark Post wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 9:59 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Virtual PC, however, *does*, and it's not terrible (although it's pretty crash-prone), Ok, explain to me how something that is pretty

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-11 Thread Rick Troth
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have run various flavors of Red Hat and Fedora on two IBM laptops, a T41, and a T43, without major problems. I have also seen SuSE on T23, T42, and my wife's R52. The two issues that used to cause me problems were the video chip and the nic.

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread Rod
Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. -- Rod -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 8/8/07, Rod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... Rob -- For LINUX-390

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread Rod
Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... As it happens, yeah. Or rather the after effects of two. As it further happens, I run Debian 4 on the Dell Latitude D820 using Xen the VT

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread Stephen . Gentry
I have run various flavors of Red Hat and Fedora on two IBM laptops, a T41, and a T43, without major problems. The two issues that used to cause me problems were the video chip and the nic. These two problems occured in older releases but have improved considerably with the latest releases.

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread Zach Pratt
I have found these websites (http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ and http://www.howtoforge.com/) to be a great source for help on how to overcome some of the problems that may present themselves as you try to get linux up and running on laptop. From my experience the combination of an Intel CPU and

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/8/07, Rod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... That's, er, news to me. What makes you

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread David Boyes
From my experience the combination of an Intel CPU and chipset combined with an Nvidia videocard will usually yield the highest level of compatibility and performance. That's really interesting. Nvidia was a real PITA wrt to Linux device drivers a while ago; have they seen the light?

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread Christian Langer
have they seen the light? Not really but their chipset/graphic drivers are atm far more stable then e.g. ATI. Christian Langer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-08 Thread Gregg Levine
On 8/8/07, Christian Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have they seen the light? Not really but their chipset/graphic drivers are atm far more stable then e.g. ATI. Christian Langer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff /

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-07 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 8/6/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today there are very few laptops on the market, the rest is configuration and packaging. Its Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + intel wireless (aka Centrino), Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + other wireless, AMD + ATI + broadcom and a few other

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-07 Thread Jon Brock
I have had loads of trouble on my laptop with talking through my WPA-protected wireless router at home. WEP worked fine, but WPA has been a royal pain. I finally got it running using a couple of wpa-supplicant commands, but it still drops out frequently. I can boot the same laptop on XP and all

Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread Mark Post
I just saw this on an internal Novell web site. Lenovo is now offering Thinkpads with SLED10 pre-loaded. http://www.novell.com/news/press/lenovo-and-novell-to-offer-linux-preload-on-thinkpad-notebooks/ That's the same configuration I was issued by Novell, and it's been pretty nice so far.

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread David Boyes
I just saw this on an internal Novell web site. Lenovo is now offering Thinkpads with SLED10 pre-loaded. http://www.novell.com/news/press/lenovo-and-novell-to-offer-linux-preloa d- on-thinkpad-notebooks/ That's the same configuration I was issued by Novell, and it's been pretty nice so far.

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread Tom Duerbusch
It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread Hodge, Robert L
, 2007 11:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux Laptops It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread David Boyes
It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? Unsubstantiated guess: their

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread Mark Post
On Mon, Aug 6, 2007 at 1:59 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread David Boyes
At the end of the year (2005), I bought a Thinkpad some model or other. It sure doesn't like linux (Suse 8, Suse 9 or Suse 10). Power management doesn't work. The battery indicator doesn't work, Wifi does work. Leave Linux up for over 30 minutes, and the Thinkpad shuts down. The fan

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread McKown, John
My Thinkpad R40e runs OpenSUSE 10.2 very nicely. FWIW. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential.

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread Tom Duerbusch
In two months, I doubt that anyone can determine market demand. I would have bought one, but I didn't need a new PC at that time. At the end of the year (2005), I bought a Thinkpad some model or other. It sure doesn't like linux (Suse 8, Suse 9 or Suse 10). Power management doesn't work.

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread David Boyes
Suse 10 had the same problems. Try adding 'acpi=off' to the parm line when booting. That usually lets you get the machine to stay up long enough to figure out what else is dying. Also, SLED has a lot of drivers preloaded that aren't in the base SuSE 10.

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread David Heilman
I have had SuSE Linux running on T60's and T40's for the past 3 years. The R series had problems but the T series seems to run great. I am about to try SuSE on a Gateway Notepad to see how well that works. David Heilman T3 Technologies, Inc. Office 440-834-1672 T3 Support 813-288-0048 Tom

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Suse 10 had the same problems. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/6/2007 1:26 PM At the end of the year (2005), I bought a Thinkpad some model or other. It sure doesn't like linux (Suse 8, Suse 9 or Suse 10). Power management doesn't work. The battery indicator

Re: Linux Laptops

2007-08-06 Thread Alan Cox
Try again now. A lot of work on laptop support has been done in Linux since then. Much more fundamentally laptops have given up using most of the proprietary parts they used to, except for stupid gimmick items like fingerprint readers. Today there are very few laptops on the market, the rest