Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-19 Thread Rick Troth
> Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and > > later kernels). On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Carsten Otte wrote: > This statement clearly is not true. In fact, we do. I really want to thank the Linux team at IBM for this: THANKS!

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-19 Thread Carsten Otte
Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). Carsten Otte wrote: This statement clearly is not true. In fact, we do. Here is an example to prove my statement. Note the diff from Martin against head31.S which is

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Carsten Otte
Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). This statement clearly is not true. In fact, we do. Carsten -- Carsten Otte has stopped smoking: Ich habe in 3 Monate, 3 Wochen und 4 Tage schon 564,87 Euro gespart an

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Perry
Post, Mark K wrote: No, he's been contradicted by the Boeblingen guys before about this. By specifying "CONFIG_64BIT=y" or not, you can get a 64-bit or 31-bit kernel. Otherwise my Slack/390 systems wouldn't be able to generate 31-bit 2.6 kernels, and I most certainly can. The thing about the 2

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Post, Mark K
OTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:13 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? Mark Perry wrote: > Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> IBM no longer provides >> updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and la

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Little, Chris
ST.EDU > Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? > > If subject lines dictated email content, this would be a > vastly different world and mailing list. If that's the best > retort available, I guess we've pretty much finished the discussion. > > > Mark Post >

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Perry
Mark Perry wrote: Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). Jim Jim, are you saying that the "whatsnew" (Patches 6 and 7) can _NOT_ be used to build an s390 2.6.16 kernel? See http://www-128.ibm.com/developer

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Perry
Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). Jim Jim, are you saying that the "whatsnew" (Patches 6 and 7) can _NOT_ be used to build an s390 2.6.16 kernel? See http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux39

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Post, Mark K
lf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:05 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? Post, Mark K wrote: > Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about: being able to run > the most current versions of SLES and RHEL on current machinery. The

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Dave Reinken
> From: "Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Other than for VSE/ESA 2.7, ALL IBM operating systems for 31-bit > are now out of service (or very close to it). This includes z/OS > and z/VM (V4 goes out of service in 2 weeks). Our strategy is all > new development is 64-bit only,

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Perry
Post, Mark K wrote: Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about: being able to run the most current versions of SLES and RHEL on current machinery. The cost of memory was never the reason for people not to move to zSeries. That was just one component of the reason. Mark Post I unde

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Ihno and Hannes have already addressed the support question. In > terms of SLES10, as discussed in this list, yes it is 64-bit > only. IBM sees that most of its customers have upgraded to > zSeries machines, so they wanted to cut the cost of supporting > the 31-bit versions of the code they maint

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Kim Goldenberg
Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:02 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? -snip- Keep this in perspective please Mark. There are still _years_ of support for s390 from

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Post, Mark K
ssage- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:02 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? -snip- Keep this in perspective please Mark. There are still _years_ of support for s390 from both the vendors an

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Perry
Post, Mark K wrote: Novell and Red Hat did that at the encouragement of IBM, i.e., they're no longer paying them to produce a 31-bit platform for the mainframe. Hence, lower costs. The IBM developers at some point will stop testing changes on 31-bit systems. No QA, lower costs, etc., etc. Mar

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Post, Mark K
ginal Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:21 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? Post, Mark K wrote: > Ihno and Hannes have already addressed the support question. In terms >

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Mark Perry
Post, Mark K wrote: Ihno and Hannes have already addressed the support question. In terms of SLES10, as discussed in this list, yes it is 64-bit only. IBM sees that most of its customers have upgraded to zSeries machines, so they wanted to cut the cost of supporting the 31-bit versions of the c

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Post, Mark K
n 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ranga Nathan Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:00 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: SLES9 out of support? Novell tells me that SLES9 is out of support! Most of us are running SLES9 and some SLES8! They released SLES10 only just and only

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-18 Thread Ihno Krumreich
hi, On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 10:59:49PM -0700, Ranga Nathan wrote: > Novell tells me that SLES9 is out of support! Most of us are running > SLES9 and some SLES8! They released SLES10 only just and only for s390x, > whatever that means! Is it 64 bit? > How can Novell sunset SLES9 so quickly? NO. NO

Re: SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-17 Thread Hannes Reinecke
Ranga Nathan wrote: Novell tells me that SLES9 is out of support! Most of us are running SLES9 and some SLES8! They released SLES10 only just and only for s390x, whatever that means! Is it 64 bit? How can Novell sunset SLES9 so quickly? Who was that? Give me his number NOW. (Out of support? I

SLES9 out of support?

2006-09-17 Thread Ranga Nathan
Novell tells me that SLES9 is out of support! Most of us are running SLES9 and some SLES8! They released SLES10 only just and only for s390x, whatever that means! Is it 64 bit? How can Novell sunset SLES9 so quickly? -- __ Ranga Nathan Work: 714-442-7591