Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-03 Thread John Summerfield
Rob van der Heij wrote: On Feb 1, 2008 11:36 PM, John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rob van der Heij wrote: On Feb 1, 2008 2:52 PM, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gee, I really want to comment, can I, dare I ? In der Beschr�nkung zeigt sich erst der Meister My eyes got parit

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2008 at 6:19 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mehdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for replies, so seems that the main reason behind using zLinux under > z/VM is to have shared resources (CPU, DASD,...) in better management. Will Those are the technical reasons. The b

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Mark Perry
Ivan Warren wrote: on a z9, it's going to be virtualized ANYWAY since I believe you can't run a z9 in basic mode. Woah! z9 does storage virtualization now? Before z/VM 5.3, I would have somewhat disagreed with you.. However, starting with z/VM 5.3 which (IIRC) removed preferred/V=R/V=F guest

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Ivan Warren
Mark Perry wrote: Dear Rob, getting back to my original post which is being "snipped" mercilessly ;-) "z/OS is a proprietary OS from IBM designed and engineered specifically for the IBM System z series of Mainframe computers. z/OS performs at its best in a non virtualized environment, and that i

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Mark Perry
Rob van der Heij wrote: On Feb 2, 2008 2:45 PM, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: running natively. My point was that Linux should be run under z/VM, and that z/OS should be run natively. For z/OS, you might add "production workload" to that statement. I have seen many installatio

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Feb 2, 2008 2:45 PM, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > running natively. My point was that Linux should be run under z/VM, and > that z/OS should be run natively. For z/OS, you might add "production workload" to that statement. I have seen many installations very happy running z/OS in a

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Mark Perry
Michael MacIsaac wrote: Linux for System z is at its heart still Linux, and hence was never or will ever be designed nor engineered with the IBM System z in mind. But I would like to think that System z Linux developers are driving virtualization features into the Linux kernel. A couple of exam

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Michael MacIsaac
> Linux for System z is at its heart still Linux, and hence was never > or will ever be designed nor engineered with the IBM System z in mind. But I would like to think that System z Linux developers are driving virtualization features into the Linux kernel. A couple of examples might be the tracki

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Mark Perry
Mehdi wrote: Thanks for replies, so seems that the main reason behind using zLinux under z/VM is to have shared resources (CPU, DASD,...) in better management. Will you suggest z/VM if you have to install z/OS instead zLinux too or that is another story? z/OS is a proprietary OS from IBM design

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-02 Thread Mehdi
Thanks for replies, so seems that the main reason behind using zLinux under z/VM is to have shared resources (CPU, DASD,...) in better management. Will you suggest z/VM if you have to install z/OS instead zLinux too or that is another story? Main reason why I want to try zLinux on zSeries is to hav

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Feb 1, 2008 11:36 PM, John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob van der Heij wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2008 2:52 PM, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Gee, I really want to comment, can I, dare I ? > > > > In der Beschr�nkung zeigt sich erst der Meister > > My eyes got parity err

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread John Summerfield
Rob van der Heij wrote: On Feb 1, 2008 2:52 PM, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gee, I really want to comment, can I, dare I ? In der Beschr�nkung zeigt sich erst der Meister My eyes got parity errors, they can't make any sense of that. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 8:42 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mehdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi List, > > I'm a newbie not linux world but to zLinux world. As I know I should be able > to install zLinux on zseries standalone or under zvm but don't know the > difference, which one is be

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread John Summerfield
Mehdi wrote: Hi List, I'm a newbie not linux world but to zLinux world. As I know I should be able to install zLinux on zseries standalone or under zvm but don't know the difference, which one is better, preferable and WHY? I know I'm limited in number of LPARs if I install zLinux standalone but

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Feb 1, 2008 2:52 PM, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gee, I really want to comment, can I, dare I ? In der Beschränkung zeigt sich erst der Meister -Rob ;-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instr

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 02/01/2008 at 09:29 EST, Mark Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 1, 2008 9:15 AM, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Virtual network: No physical wires, switches; no (or reduced) need to > > encrypt/decrypt data "in transit" within the box (CPU savings). > > Good point, bu

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Mark Pace
On Feb 1, 2008 9:15 AM, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Mark Pace > > > > On Feb 1, 2008 8:42 AM, Mehdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > I'm a newbie not linux world but to zLinux world. As I kn

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Mark Pace > > On Feb 1, 2008 8:42 AM, Mehdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi List, > > > > I'm a newbie not linux world but to zLinux world. As I know I should > > be able to install zLinux on zseries standalone or under zvm

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread RPN01
While Linux can be installed in an LPAR directly, there are considerable advantages to running your Linux images beneath z/VM as a hipervisor. The first is a common interface to all the consoles. Each is just a virtual 3215 console terminal, with access gained by logging into the Linux guest useri

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Mark Perry
Mehdi wrote: -- /* Of one Essence is the human race, Thusly has Creation put the Base; One Limb impacted is sufficient, For all Others to feel the Mace. ~Saadi (persian poet) -1258 */ --

Re: zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Mark Pace
On Feb 1, 2008 8:42 AM, Mehdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi List, > > I'm a newbie not linux world but to zLinux world. As I know I should be > able > to install zLinux on zseries standalone or under zvm but don't know the > difference, which one is better, preferable and WHY? I know I'm limited

zLinux under zVM or Standalone

2008-02-01 Thread Mehdi
Hi List, I'm a newbie not linux world but to zLinux world. As I know I should be able to install zLinux on zseries standalone or under zvm but don't know the difference, which one is better, preferable and WHY? I know I'm limited in number of LPARs if I install zLinux standalone but what are other