Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Tim E. Real
Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost covers the ear, just above the earlobe? Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that little flap so it can be completely and tightly pressed against the ear (like you can do now with your finger) thus acting as an 'eyelid' fo

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 03:31 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: > Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost > covers the ear, just above the earlobe? > > Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that > little flap so it can be completely and tightly pressed > against the ear (li

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 03:31 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: > Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost > covers the ear, just above the earlobe? > > Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that > little flap so it can be completely and tightly pressed > against the ear (li

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 03:31 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: > Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost > covers the ear, just above the earlobe? > > Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that > little flap so it can be completely and tightly pressed > against the ear (li

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread lieven moors
On 07/25/2010 09:31 AM, Tim E. Real wrote: > Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost > covers the ear, just above the earlobe? > > Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that > little flap so it can be completely and tightly pressed > against the ear (like you can d

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 12:32 +0200, lieven moors wrote: > On 07/25/2010 09:31 AM, Tim E. Real wrote: > > Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost > > covers the ear, just above the earlobe? > > > > Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that > > little flap so it can b

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Robin Gareus
On 07/25/2010 12:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Just one question. Am I the only one who received a mail similar to this > off-list: > >>> [ yet more irrelvant mindless crap! ] >>> >>> How does the external ear exactly work? Perhaps it's part of this >>> function, to reflect sound. >> >> Absolutely

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-07-23 12:13:32 +0200: > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:34:43AM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > > > > > We could think about what makes judging twice the > > > > loudness more difficult and maybe find a relation to another phenomenon > > > > this way. The limits

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 13:28 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 07/25/2010 12:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Just one question. Am I the only one who received a mail similar to this > > off-list: > > > >>> [ yet more irrelvant mindless crap! ] > >>> > >>> How does the external ear exactly work? Per

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread fons
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 01:32:01PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > I had some more thoughts regarding masking. > If B masks A == B twice as loud? > Is it that simple? No :-( Masking depends on spectrum, timing, level, and maybe other factors. It's a complex thing and I don't think we have the

[LAD] Wrong attributions: Was twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Folderol
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:39:12 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 13:28 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > > Hi Ralph, > > > > Why are you writing to me? It might imply I did send you this email in > > the first place. > > I only send it to the list, but nobody else. IMPORTANT. It's true

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-07-25 13:57:00 +0200: > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 01:32:01PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > > > I had some more thoughts regarding masking. > > If B masks A == B twice as loud? > > Is it that simple? > > No :-( > > Masking depends on spectrum, timing, level

Re: [LAD] Solved: No Flash audio. With a question.

2010-07-25 Thread Niels Mayer
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > I turned off the 'lock' control in envy24control and now Flash can >  set the rate to 48000Hz. I forgot to mention the "Multi Track Rate Locking" and "Multi Track Rate Reset" issues... Or the fact that sometimes you have to switch the clock r

Re: [LAD] STEREO RULES

2010-07-25 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > People today aren't able to do a good stereo or mono mix, e.g. because > of the loudness war, but they are thinking of doing 3D mixes. > > I'm unable to follow this strange evolution. > > We all have 2 ears and 1 brain that has to do a lot of work, regarding > to information

Re: [LAD] STEREO RULES

2010-07-25 Thread fons
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > > There are some good mixes for stereo and mono, but at least I never > > heard a valid mix with more but one ore two channels. > > I've been to Jörn Nettingsmeier's workshop at LAC2010 and that was 3D > allright. And the good th

Re: [LAD] STEREO RULES

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 17:40 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > > > > There are some good mixes for stereo and mono, but at least I never > > > heard a valid mix with more but one ore two channels. > > > > I've been to Jörn Nett

Re: [LAD] Solved: No Flash audio. With a question.

2010-07-25 Thread Niels Mayer
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > On July 24, 2010 06:44:40 pm you wrote: > Holy crud that's nice !!! You really went to town on this ! I figured these cards are worth it... One of the changes I made seriously reduces the number of interrupts/ticks envy24control 0.6.0 generate

Re: [LAD] STEREO RULES

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 18:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 17:40 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > > > > > > There are some good mixes for stereo and mono, but at least I never > > > > heard a valid mix wi

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Tim E. Real
On July 25, 2010 06:43:17 am Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 12:32 +0200, lieven moors wrote: > > On 07/25/2010 09:31 AM, Tim E. Real wrote: > > > Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost > > > covers the ear, just above the earlobe? > > > > > > Whaddya think if hu

[LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread Niels Mayer
Summary of updates from envy24control 0.6.0 (GIT HEAD) to "1.0.0": (0) After a decade, incremented version to 1.0.0 (**) (1) Implemented missing "Peak Hold" functionality in meters and reimplemented meters for increased efficiency and lower X resource usage. (see http://www.linuxaudio.org/mailarch

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Niels Mayer wrote: > (2) All volumes are represented as decibels, including the 0 to -48dB i don't own one, so its not of much concern to me, but dB ? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.or

Re: [LAD] Solved: No Flash audio. With a question.

2010-07-25 Thread Tim E. Real
On July 25, 2010 10:40:22 am you wrote: > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > > I turned off the 'lock' control in envy24control and now Flash can > > set the rate to 48000Hz. > > I forgot to mention the "Multi Track Rate Locking" and "Multi Track > Rate Reset" issues... Or the

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread fons
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 03:21:22PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Niels Mayer wrote: > > > (2) All volumes are represented as decibels, including the 0 to -48dB > > i don't own one, so its not of much concern to me, but dB ? For the meters I'd expect this to be rela

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread Niels Mayer
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Paul Davis wrote: >> (2) All volumes are represented as decibels, including the 0 to -48dB > i don't own one, so its not of much concern to me, but dB ? The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel is a unitless measurement. :-) However, in this case there are a few

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread James Morris
On 25 July 2010 20:10, Niels Mayer wrote: > Summary of updates from envy24control 0.6.0 (GIT HEAD) to "1.0.0": > > (0) After a decade, incremented version to 1.0.0 (**) > (1) Implemented missing "Peak Hold" functionality in meters and > reimplemented meters for increased efficiency and lower X res

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread fons
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:10:44PM -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > Summary of updates from envy24control 0.6.0 (GIT HEAD) to "1.0.0": Compiles OK here but: - The meters just indicate level in a linear way. Half scale is -6dB etc. - The analog gain sliders behave strangly. They seem to 'detent' on t

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread Tim E. Real
On July 25, 2010 03:10:44 pm Niels Mayer wrote: > Summary of updates from envy24control 0.6.0 (GIT HEAD) to "1.0.0": > > (0) After a decade, incremented version to 1.0.0 (**) > (1) Implemented missing "Peak Hold" functionality in meters and > reimplemented meters for increased efficiency and lower

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread Niels Mayer
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, James Morris wrote: > CPU up to 99% here as soon as any audio plays and GUI very sluggish. > > Delta 66 AMD64 Gentoo. That looks like it might be an instance of the bug I thought I'd fixed. It's especially odd because I too have a Delta66 and AMD64 for testing, bu

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread Tim E. Real
On July 25, 2010 06:57:42 pm Tim E. Real wrote: > I propose that the "multi track rate locking" be renamed to just > "lock" ( *not* "locked" because believe it or not I actually thought > that was an indicator, not a control - there is confusion with the > "locked" label underneath the "word clo

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread Niels Mayer
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > - The meters just indicate level in a linear way. Half scale > is -6dB etc. I originally talked about doing this in a previous thread, along with various other things that ended up being impossible, like integrating jkmeter :-). I figured there's enough

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-25 Thread Niels Mayer
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > CPU 20% on idle, and when adjusting sliders it's around 50%. All OK. Is this more CPU load or less than the original envy24control? It should be a lot less load. > Can't resize height below certain amount - it's too tall. > I don't see what t